Biden VP news megathread (pg 286 - been selected, announcement could be today)

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Her DNA test and relentless woke politics is already a needless distraction Biden doesn't need.

Yeah, not like the Trump campaign won't make stupid issues out of any of the potential VP candidates.

Attacking Tammy Duckworth is a lot harder than attacking Warren, and Duckworth holds a similar progressive score.

Those scores don't really matter. It's all about perception. Booker and Harris have consistently been ranked as top 5 most progressive senators by basically every ranking system, yet many progressives don't like either of them at all.

Duckworth is also largely unknown and unvetted on the national stage. We know for almost a fact that the worst attack Republicans have against Warren is the “Pocahontas” smear and attacking her as too left. We know what we’re getting with her, Harris, & Klobuchar.

I’d say it’s more of a risk to pick someone who didn’t run for President (Duckworth, Whitmer, Demings) than one of the former 3.

I think what's appealing about Duckworth though is that she is inherently sympathetic in being a wounded veteran. It would be hard to negatively characterize her in the face of that, and anything the Republicans try could backfire hard.

Her DNA test and relentless woke politics is already a needless distraction Biden doesn't need.

Yeah, not like the Trump campaign won't make stupid issues out of any of the potential VP candidates.

Attacking Tammy Duckworth is a lot harder than attacking Warren, and Duckworth holds a similar progressive score.

Those scores don't really matter. It's all about perception. Booker and Harris have consistently been ranked as top 5 most progressive senators by basically every ranking system, yet many progressives don't like either of them at all.

Duckworth is also largely unknown and unvetted on the national stage. We know for almost a fact that the worst attack Republicans have against Warren is the “Pocahontas” smear and attacking her as too left. We know what we’re getting with her, Harris, & Klobuchar.

I’d say it’s more of a risk to pick someone who didn’t run for President (Duckworth, Whitmer, Demings) than one of the former 3.

I think what's appealing about Duckworth though is that she is inherently sympathetic in being a wounded veteran. It would be hard to negatively characterize her in the face of that, and anything the Republicans try could backfire hard.

Exactly. Mark Kirk unfortunately learned this the hard way, and I'm sure it would look even worse for Trump if he tried to insult her.

LOL, the same Trump that attacked John McCain and the Khan family? The same Trump that mocked a disabled reporter?

C'mon, y'all should know better than this by now, it's been almost 5 years since he announced his candidacy.

Trump will say something like "She's a phony veteran. Phony! I like people that weren't injured." Trump is a scumbag.

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So does the email news help or hurt Susan rice and her chances? I could see it go either way because they will try to attack her, but the email is clear evidence she did nothing wrong, and evidence of her professionalism. Which would be the driving factor in taking her. what do you guys think?

NO.

First of all, Susan Rice has like a 0.01% chance of being picked. Second of all, Benghazi would be a unnecessary albatross around her neck (and by extension Biden's neck). Thirdly, she wouldn't excite anyone.

Black people don't care about Susan Rice (she has no deep ties to the Black community and she has a White husband). Also, her son is a Trump supporter and president of the Stanford College Republicans.

Who would she excite? A few moderate white suburbanites? No, not really. Who? She adds nothing but negatives. Susan Rice is a terrible VP choice.

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Her DNA test and relentless woke politics is already a needless distraction Biden doesn't need.

Yeah, not like the Trump campaign won't make stupid issues out of any of the potential VP candidates.

Attacking Tammy Duckworth is a lot harder than attacking Warren, and Duckworth holds a similar progressive score.

Those scores don't really matter. It's all about perception. Booker and Harris have consistently been ranked as top 5 most progressive senators by basically every ranking system, yet many progressives don't like either of them at all.

Duckworth is also largely unknown and unvetted on the national stage. We know for almost a fact that the worst attack Republicans have against Warren is the “Pocahontas” smear and attacking her as too left. We know what we’re getting with her, Harris, & Klobuchar.

I’d say it’s more of a risk to pick someone who didn’t run for President (Duckworth, Whitmer, Demings) than one of the former 3.

I think what's appealing about Duckworth though is that she is inherently sympathetic in being a wounded veteran. It would be hard to negatively characterize her in the face of that, and anything the Republicans try could backfire hard.

Her DNA test and relentless woke politics is already a needless distraction Biden doesn't need.

Yeah, not like the Trump campaign won't make stupid issues out of any of the potential VP candidates.

Attacking Tammy Duckworth is a lot harder than attacking Warren, and Duckworth holds a similar progressive score.

Those scores don't really matter. It's all about perception. Booker and Harris have consistently been ranked as top 5 most progressive senators by basically every ranking system, yet many progressives don't like either of them at all.

Duckworth is also largely unknown and unvetted on the national stage. We know for almost a fact that the worst attack Republicans have against Warren is the “Pocahontas” smear and attacking her as too left. We know what we’re getting with her, Harris, & Klobuchar.

I’d say it’s more of a risk to pick someone who didn’t run for President (Duckworth, Whitmer, Demings) than one of the former 3.

I think what's appealing about Duckworth though is that she is inherently sympathetic in being a wounded veteran. It would be hard to negatively characterize her in the face of that, and anything the Republicans try could backfire hard.

Exactly. Mark Kirk unfortunately learned this the hard way, and I'm sure it would look even worse for Trump if he tried to insult her.

LOL, the same Trump that attacked John McCain and the Khan family? The same Trump that mocked a disabled reporter?

C'mon, y'all should know better than this by now, it's been almost 5 years since he announced his candidacy.

Trump will say something like "She's a phony veteran. Phony! I like people that weren't injured." Trump is a scumbag.

I think it's a little different with Duckworth having a very obvious physical handicap unlike Kerry. And the comparison with the Khans and McCain isn't quite that accurate either to me, Trump and his party weren't running against them so there was significantly less risk by being shameless. She also wouldn't be afraid to throw Trump's Vietnam draft-dodging back in his face, she coined the term "Cadet Bone-Spurs" after all. I still think she'd be a fairly safe choice.

And what about the disabled reporter that Trump mocked?

Anyways, stop thinking that Trump has a bottom. Trump has NONE. He will say anything, even if it is disgusting and crass.

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Her DNA test and relentless woke politics is already a needless distraction Biden doesn't need.

Yeah, not like the Trump campaign won't make stupid issues out of any of the potential VP candidates.

Attacking Tammy Duckworth is a lot harder than attacking Warren, and Duckworth holds a similar progressive score.

Those scores don't really matter. It's all about perception. Booker and Harris have consistently been ranked as top 5 most progressive senators by basically every ranking system, yet many progressives don't like either of them at all.

Duckworth is also largely unknown and unvetted on the national stage. We know for almost a fact that the worst attack Republicans have against Warren is the “Pocahontas” smear and attacking her as too left. We know what we’re getting with her, Harris, & Klobuchar.

I’d say it’s more of a risk to pick someone who didn’t run for President (Duckworth, Whitmer, Demings) than one of the former 3.

I think what's appealing about Duckworth though is that she is inherently sympathetic in being a wounded veteran. It would be hard to negatively characterize her in the face of that, and anything the Republicans try could backfire hard.

Her DNA test and relentless woke politics is already a needless distraction Biden doesn't need.

Yeah, not like the Trump campaign won't make stupid issues out of any of the potential VP candidates.

Attacking Tammy Duckworth is a lot harder than attacking Warren, and Duckworth holds a similar progressive score.

Those scores don't really matter. It's all about perception. Booker and Harris have consistently been ranked as top 5 most progressive senators by basically every ranking system, yet many progressives don't like either of them at all.

Duckworth is also largely unknown and unvetted on the national stage. We know for almost a fact that the worst attack Republicans have against Warren is the “Pocahontas” smear and attacking her as too left. We know what we’re getting with her, Harris, & Klobuchar.

I’d say it’s more of a risk to pick someone who didn’t run for President (Duckworth, Whitmer, Demings) than one of the former 3.

I think what's appealing about Duckworth though is that she is inherently sympathetic in being a wounded veteran. It would be hard to negatively characterize her in the face of that, and anything the Republicans try could backfire hard.

Exactly. Mark Kirk unfortunately learned this the hard way, and I'm sure it would look even worse for Trump if he tried to insult her.

LOL, the same Trump that attacked John McCain and the Khan family? The same Trump that mocked a disabled reporter?

C'mon, y'all should know better than this by now, it's been almost 5 years since he announced his candidacy.

Trump will say something like "She's a phony veteran. Phony! I like people that weren't injured." Trump is a scumbag.

I think it's a little different with Duckworth having a very obvious physical handicap unlike Kerry. And the comparison with the Khans and McCain isn't quite that accurate either to me, Trump and his party weren't running against them so there was significantly less risk by being shameless. She also wouldn't be afraid to throw Trump's Vietnam draft-dodging back in his face, she coined the term "Cadet Bone-Spurs" after all. I still think she'd be a fairly safe choice.

And what about the disabled reporter that Trump mocked?

Anyways, stop thinking that Trump has a bottom. Trump has NONE. He will say anything, even if it is disgusting and crass.

They weren't running against the disabled reporter, he wouldn't get any sympathy votes.

And I am well aware that Trump has no shame at all but it doesn't mean that there won't be backlash to them. Let's not forget that there is backlash to everything he says, it just doesn't often yield consequences. In an election it could. I don't know if it will, but it's a much different circumstance than him just getting into a fight with some random private citizen. That's all I'm trying to point out here.

In the primaries, Trump made of Marco Rubio ("Little Marco"), he called Ted Cruz's wife "ugly", he said that America wouldn't elect Carly Fiorina because "Look at that face! Would anyone vote for that? Can you imagine that, the face of our next president?"

In the general, Trump said that Hillary "should be in jail" and brought some accusers of Bill Clinton to one of the debates among many other things. Also, don't forget that the Access Hollywood tape leaked and he still won.

Sen. Duckworth would NOT be immune to Trump's crassness and shenanigans. The impact on the election would remain to be seen until Election Day as most people are solidified on their opinion of Trump already.

Anyways, Sen. Duckworth has a <1% of chance of being selected as Biden's VP.

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Sen. Durbin said that the Biden campaign was preparing to interview Sen. Duckworth.  When she was asked if she was being vetted she dodged the question.  So they are at least running her through the paces.  She is unlikely to be the pick but could be a dark horse choice.  I've heard she is hesitant to take the position because she has a newborn, which is understandable.  But she also knows it is good for Asian-Americans and people with disabilities to see her being considered.

Sen. Cortez Masto also seems hesitant, or at least she is unwilling to maneuver to become the running mate.  That's a significant reason why I think her and Duckworth's chances are lower.

Well, Kamala is also half Asian (Indian) lol.

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Klobuchar did poorly in the Midwestern state of Iowa despite all of NE Iowa being under a Minnesotan media market. My bets are on Kamala Harris.

I'd say Klobuchar did better than expected in a crowded field actually. And Biden considers her endorsement the reason he won the Minnesota primary.

Yeah, she's popular in Minnesota. She was re-elected easily in 2018 and by the biggest margin out of any statewide candidate.

However, her popularity in MN doesn't translate to other Midwestern states.

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I don’t know why they’re vetting second year governors. Seems silly to waste a new comer from such a powerful position to a ceremonial one.

I don't really get this objection. New Mexico's population is only 2 million. VP of the United States is a far more important position than that. (Hell my own county judge, Lina Hidalgo, oversees more people). Biden also badly needs to consolidate the Hispanic vote, which is by no means assured.

Hispanics aren't just going to vote for someone because half of their surname has Spanish origins.

Do you go outside of your house in Texas lol

Democrats keep telling themselves that. And then they keep losing elections to tickets named Garcia and DeSantis-Nunez. Analysis of voting patterns in Texas going back to the 1990s shows Hispanics vote for Spanish last names. Even complete joke candidates like Sema Hernandez.

Did Lupe Valdez win her election?

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I don’t know why they’re vetting second year governors. Seems silly to waste a new comer from such a powerful position to a ceremonial one.

I don't really get this objection. New Mexico's population is only 2 million. VP of the United States is a far more important position than that. (Hell my own county judge, Lina Hidalgo, oversees more people). Biden also badly needs to consolidate the Hispanic vote, which is by no means assured.

Hispanics aren't just going to vote for someone because half of their surname has Spanish origins.

Do you go outside of your house in Texas lol

Democrats keep telling themselves that. And then they keep losing elections to tickets named Garcia and DeSantis-Nunez. Analysis of voting patterns in Texas going back to the 1990s shows Hispanics vote for Spanish last names. Even complete joke candidates like Sema Hernandez.

Did Lupe Valdez win her election?

Disingenuous straw man to bring up an election you know was uncompetitive. You're better than this New Frontier.

I'm not the one who claimed that having a Spanish surname will be the magic fix to higher Hispanic turnout and a guaranteed victory .

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I don’t know why they’re vetting second year governors. Seems silly to waste a new comer from such a powerful position to a ceremonial one.

I don't really get this objection. New Mexico's population is only 2 million. VP of the United States is a far more important position than that. (Hell my own county judge, Lina Hidalgo, oversees more people). Biden also badly needs to consolidate the Hispanic vote, which is by no means assured.

Hispanics aren't just going to vote for someone because half of their surname has Spanish origins.

Do you go outside of your house in Texas lol

Democrats keep telling themselves that. And then they keep losing elections to tickets named Garcia and DeSantis-Nunez. Analysis of voting patterns in Texas going back to the 1990s shows Hispanics vote for Spanish last names. Even complete joke candidates like Sema Hernandez.

Did Lupe Valdez win her election?

Disingenuous straw man to bring up an election you know was uncompetitive. You're better than this New Frontier.

I'm not the one who claimed that having a Hispanic surname will be the magic fix to higher Hispanic turnout and a guaranteed win .

Neither did I. I said it would be a boost in a close election. It's ugly and dishonest of you to persist in a misrepresentation of my position.

Read Biden/Abrams Voter's post above.

Also, stop being a troll poster. It's annoying.

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Her background with Willie Brown and getting political appointments while dating him is just not flattering.

Literally no one cares about that. What is your problem?

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https://twitter.com/merica/status/1263534393261543426

Freedom Fighter ♡

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Twitter is in absolute meltdown over the news Klobuchar is being considered. But what else is new.

Twitter is in absolute meltdown over the news Klobuchar is being considered. But what else is new.

Anyone who thought she wouldn’t at least be vetted is delusional.

Yeah, I'm honestly dumbfounded. Do people think that she wasn't going to be a VP candidate or do they not understand what vetting means?

Vetting doesn't mean selected and she's been a potential VP pick for a while. I don't know why some people on Twitter are overreacting. Kamala is still the most likely choice.

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Wow, so many people are FURIOUS at the fact that Amy is being vetted. I don't want Amy to be Biden's VP pick but the outrage online especially by Bernie Bros and other progressives is ridiculous

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https://mobile.twitter.com/GeoffRBennett/status/1263572129381060608

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Wow, so many people are FURIOUS at the fact that Amy is being vetted. I don't want Amy to be Biden's VP pick but the outrage online especially by Bernie Bros and other progressives is ridiculous

So, in light of that, how about we don’t needlessly give the finger to a large segment of the Democratic base this cycle?

What's this supposed to mean?

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Wow, so many people are FURIOUS at the fact that Amy is being vetted. I don't want Amy to be Biden's VP pick but the outrage online especially by Bernie Bros and other progressives is ridiculous

So, in light of that, how about we don’t needlessly give the finger to a large segment of the Democratic base this cycle?

What's this supposed to mean?

It means that the VP pick should be someone who appeals to a large segment of the Democratic base, one who supports policies that a majority of the party supports.

I agree and Kamala fits the bill.

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Nice Amy about to be picked! Lol

No, she isn't.

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After Joe's comment today, you really have to think what Harris, Abrams, Lance Bottoms, Demings & Rice all think about this. You could see Harris & Abrams withdrawal there names, they have a future in this party. Lance Bottoms does too but she's been loyal to Joe, Demings could probably spin the gaffe and Susan Rice well they have a long standing relationship so I could see Joe going with familiar. But Joe is really going to shoot himself in the foot if he picks a white woman unless it's Elizabeth Warren, but even then, he just upset the black electorate.

If anyone knows Charlamagne tha God and his work on The Breakfast Club, for the past two years he's been preaching about making sure the Democratic candidate has a Black Agenda to help the community. That's been picked up by Angela Rye and other prominent media personalities pushing the narrative. If Joe really tanks it with the black communities voting bloc, he may need to go in the direction of picking a Latina for the VP slot. But he'd be committing political suicide picking Klobauchar or Whitmer, I have nothing against those two but that would be a mess if he does pick one of them.

After Joe's comment today, you really have to think what Harris, Abrams, Lance Bottoms, Demings & Rice all think about this. You could see Harris & Abrams withdrawal there names, they have a future in this party. Lance Bottoms does too but she's been loyal to Joe, Demings could probably spin the gaffe and Susan Rice well they have a long standing relationship so I could see Joe going with familiar. But Joe is really going to shoot himself in the foot if he picks a white woman unless it's Elizabeth Warren, but even then, he just upset the black electorate.

If anyone knows Charlamagne tha God and his work on The Breakfast Club, for the past two years he's been preaching about making sure the Democratic candidate has a Black Agenda to help the community. That's been picked up by Angela Rye and other prominent media personalities pushing the narrative. If Joe really tanks it with the black communities voting bloc, he may need to go in the direction of picking a Latina for the VP slot. But he'd be committing political suicide picking Klobauchar or Whitmer, I have nothing against those two but that would be a mess if he does pick one of them.

I don't think what Biden said creates a moral quandary for any of these people. Especially considering that he is running against the champion of birtherism.

He needs to watch it with these gaffes. If I have big political aspirations, maybe I take a seat back, take a cabinet position if offered or seek other office. Abrams has big goals, Harris does too. Joe could easily do something so stupid to lose an election during a pandemic.

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Alot of these candidates like Abrams, Grisham, Val Demings and even Cory Booker for AG arent just being vetted for Veep, they are also being vetted for Cabinet positions

Biden and Warren
SOS Abrams
AG Cory Booker
Secretary of Ed ML GRISHAM
Urban League and HUD Val Demings

Again Val Demings doesnt have qualifications to be Veep

Klobuchar and Harris probably stay in Senate

Warren will be an excellent pick
Gretchen Whitmer already said she will be on Biden's transition team, but isnt leaving MI in a Pandemic

I think you can see Susan Rice becoming Secretary of State, Val Demings I see taking over the Department of Homeland Security and Stacey Abrams taking over HUD.

With the exception of Susan Rice as SoS. I would be happy with that.

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Yates, Klobuchar or Harris should be AG/Solicitor General

Biden's final VP shortlist should be:
1. Warren
2. Abrams
3. Demings
4. Whitmer
5. Lujan Grisham

It will be Lujan Grisham, the safest female veep choice there is. She doesn't offend anyone.

Because no one knows who she is.

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Val Demings was an ACTUAL cop unlike Kamala lol. Young Black voters generally don't like or are heavily distrustful of police (even if they are Black).

Older Black voters are generally more ambivalent on policing.

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No Demings, Klobuchar, Abrams, Harris

Warren
Whitmer
Bottoms
Grisham
Quinn
Bustos

Should be the final shortlist. Period.

Joke list.

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No Demings, Klobuchar, Abrams, Harris

Warren
Whitmer
Bottoms
Grisham
Quinn
Bustos

Should be the final shortlist. Period.

Uh who?

Former New York City Council Speaker Christine Quinn. She would be a good attack dog for Biden. The bottom line is that Biden is being smeared in a sense and he does not have the same physical energy he had in 2008 and 2012. Quinn would go dirty for his behalf and he needs an attack dog, Quinn can do that. Plus, a lesbian woman debating Pence would be poetic justice.

As much I think Christine Quinn would be an interesting choice...if Biden really wants an NYC politician, he should just pick De Blasio.

Quinn is a brawler. She should have been mayor, not de Blasio. I like her personality. She would slam Trump everyday. I think she would play well in the Midwest. Who cares if she is lesbian? She is a brawler, now is not the time for Nicey Nice, this is war and Trump needs to be taken down to blows.

Being or not being a Lesbian has nothing to with it (and besides, if Biden wants to go there, Tammy Baldwin is the better choice). De Blasio has executive experience as Mayor of NYC, and he checks off a lot of boxes that progressives will look for in a running mate.

The only New Yorkers that would be better suited to being on the ticket with Biden are Gillibrand and Cuomo (and Biden wants to reach a bit, Kathleen Rice.)

De Blasio would be a terrible VP pick. He's been a below average mayor to say the least. He only won re-election because of partisanship lol.

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Warren helps Biden the most (name recognition poll):

https://talkelections.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=375486.0

Again, these polls are practically just useless tests of name recognition. You mean to tell me people said they're less likely to vote for Biden if he chooses CCM? For what reasons, exactly?

Name recognition matters though. If Hillary had chosen a more well-known (and charismatic) figure than Tim Kaine then maybe that would have helped her.

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Gina Raimondo shouldn't even be in the running. She would be a horrible pick.