Georgia grand jury investigating Trump returns indictments

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I posted this on the other thread before I realized the discussion had moved and gotten it's own thread here, but on what grounds is trump going to try to get this case moved from state court to federal court and how likely do we think it is that he will succeed? What is at stake besides trump being able to pardon himself should he win the election? Would the jury no longer be drawn exclusively from Fulton County?

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cope and seethe bitch

I'd give my right nut to be seated at that trial when these posts are read, and when the prosecution notes that despite all the bluster and bloviating, trump produced exactly zero evidence of voter fraud when given the opportunity to do so in the discovery process, nor did he show up when invited to testify and provide all of this supposed evidence that totally exists in real life.

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emailking and BRTD thanks for the responses, they were helpful.

Also can I just say how grateful I am that Mark Meadows is FINALLY f***ing charged with a crime somewhere? This man got caught red handed committing voter fraud and not a damn thing happened. If he was a black woman in Texas he would be doing 20 years at state for what he did.

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I'd give my right nut to be seated at that trial when these posts are read, and when the prosecution notes that despite all the bluster and bloviating, trump produced exactly zero evidence of voter fraud when given the opportunity to do so in the discovery process, nor did he show up when invited to testify and provide all of this supposed evidence that totally exists in real life.

Fortunately it will all be televised (barring extraordinary circumstances).

That's right I forgot! Man, I really, really, really, really hope this trial gets to happen before the election. The public deserves to hear all of this evidence. It could not be more crucial to choosing our next President.

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I'm glad they're including the former Kanye publicist who tried to strongarm the old lady election official. That was an extra foul move.

I still feel really badly for Ruby and her daughter. I'm really glad their tormenters have been charged and will hopefully see justice. What trump and Giuliani and others did to them was absolutely heinous. No random anonymous person deserves to have their life turned upside down and made to feel unsafe in their every day life over wildly false allegations.

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I'm glad they're including the former Kanye publicist who tried to strongarm the old lady election official. That was an extra foul move.

I still feel really badly for Ruby and her daughter. I'm really glad their tormenters have been charged and will hopefully see justice. What trump and Giuliani and others did to them was absolutely heinous. No random anonymous person deserves to have their life turned upside down and made to feel unsafe in their every day life over wildly false allegations.

I'm unfamiliar with the story, what actually happened there?

If you were planning on going to bed any time soon, I'd wait until tomorrow to watch Ruby and her daughter's testimony to the 1/6 committee. It'll get you pretty fuming mad if you're anything like me and you'll feel like you just had 10 cups of coffee.

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There should probably just be a Trump Indictments megathread at this point.

He's facing seven different trials (three civil, four criminal for a total 84 felonies) between now and November 2024. We should probably have a megathread for each one. A single thread would make discussion impossible. 

Really hoping the cops who were injured on 1/6 get paid in their civil trial against trump. They really deserve it.

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SAD!

https://twitter.com/justinbaragona/status/1691483849883025408

Ridiculous, if they actually watched her interview (I did), she said it was a sad day for America that a former president was charged with all these crimes. And unlike Trump, she conceded her election the next day and moved on. Many of the things she warned about in 2016 became true or even worse than anyone could have imagined. If anything, history totally vindicated her on this despite the fact she ran a medicore campaign.

Additionally, I was kind of impressed she's still that sharp minded and generally in good shape. So much for "stamina".

Funny you should say that, as I was watching last night I found myself thinking how good she looks for her age.

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One underrated aspect of this indictment is that, as I understand it, if Trump is convicted of the most serious charges here, he faces mandatory minimum jail time that he must start serving immediately and -cannot- be released pending appeal.

Be cautious here.  Although the statute has mandatory minimum sentences, Georgia law (upheld by court decisions) allows judges to either substitute probation for some/all of the sentence, or suspend some/all of it.  So if Trump was convicted, he would face a minimum 5-year sentence -- but that doesn't necessarily mean 5 years of incarceration.

Not saying you're wrong but Fani Willis was asked this exact question at her press conference and she said it would have to be time served.

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https://twitter.com/DougJBalloon/status/1691591541645602908

NY Times pitchbot is probably my favorite form of art these days. Just consistently putting out Louvre quality satirical takes.

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https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1691915423443501246

These people will need 24/7 protection from lunatic Trump supporters trying to kill or intimidate them.

Quite possibly. I know it's an urban county but I also wonder how many of these grand jurors are still Southern country bumpkins at heart and are just itching at the thought of some militant MAGA terrorist coming to their property to harass them and they're just waiting there with a rifle. I'm no gun nut by any stretch but if I had just done my civilian duty serving on a grand jury and was facing genuine physical threats as a result I would have every relative with a gun over to my house at all hours. First trumper to set foot on my lawn and threaten me would learn them something real f***ing quick.

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Why would an innocent man need a pardon in the first place? Tis a mystery....

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Why would an innocent man need a pardon in the first place? Tis a mystery....

Simple. The courts can and do error, and if Trump does get convicted, oh no, it can't be because of the evidence or anything else, it's because Biden and Co schemed to lock him up. So a pardon is necessary to head off this risk. So the thinking goes.
It's not so mysterious. Imagine judicial malfeasance possibly playing out in the courtroom of a  Trumpist judge in West Texas with a case against, say, Hillary Clinton, in a world where Trump won again. But the governor of Texas, elected in 2022, was a Democrat. Would you support a pardon?

I get you're trying to play devil's advocate, but think of all the things that would have to happen for this scenario to come to be that would not happen. Hillary Clinton would have to commit a crime (a real crime, not some republican nonsense) somewhere in West  Texas. A grand jury would have to look at this evidence and conclude it's reasonable to indict her, and then a unanimous jury would have to convict. None of this is remotely likely for the simple reason that Hillary Clinton is not a criminal, there's no conceivable reason she'd want or need to do anything illegal anywhere let alone West Texas, and she doesn't make a habit of recording herself admitting to criminal schemes.

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Rudy Giuliani made desperate appeal to Trump to pay his legal bills in Mar-a-Lago meeting

With his attorney in tow, Rudy Giuliani traveled to Mar-a-Lago in recent months on a mission to make a personal and desperate appeal to former President Donald Trump to pay his legal bills. By going in person, a source familiar with the matter told CNN, Giuliani and his lawyer Robert Costello believed they could explain face-to-face why Trump needed to assist his former attorney with his ballooning legal bills.

Giuliani and Costello traveled to Florida in late April where they had two meetings with Trump to discuss Giuliani’s seven-figure legal fees, making several pitches about how paying Giuliani’s bills was ultimately in Trump’s best interest.

But the former president, who is notoriously strict about dipping into his own coffers, didn’t seem very interested. After Costello made his pitch, Trump verbally agreed to help with some of Giuliani’s legal bills without committing to any specific amount or timeline.

Trump also agreed to stop by two fundraisers for Giuliani, a separate source said.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/08/16/politics/giuliani-trump-legal-bills/index.html

I just...I don't understand how people so close to him never learn with trump. trump leaving his allies out to dry is more predictable than the sun rising.

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Does anyone - including blue avatars - really believe this man is 215 lbs?

215 lbs at 6'3" is legitimately athletic territory.

Yeh here's literally no way in hell he's less than 260. He remains incredibly vain and a world-class liar.

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Trump has been fingerprinted, here they are:

https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1694872998589739282

This post just made it dawn on me the absolutely embarrassing amount of God-tier memes we are soon to be spoiled with...

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I'm assuming a trial date will be set sometime mid September? It took 27 days for Trump to be indicted (Aug 1) for Jan 6 and for a trial date (Aug 28)

It appears right now the date is actually October 23. When Chesebro filed for a speedy trial, the judge set the trial date for October 23 but stated that it only applied to Chesebro. But he hasn't severed anybody's case yet, like Meadows (Trump has not filed to sever yet because he wants to delay). So right now the date is October 23. Willis asked the judge for clarification on this yesterday, because she still wants to try everyone together.

No way they Trump goes to trial in October. I'm sure the judge will clearify that.

At the moment, I am skeptical Georgia will have a trial before the 2024 election. The federal trials will likely be delayed and extended. The Georgia trial won't take place close to the election to avoid looking like interference.

Although, if Judge Cannon pushes the document trial to after the election I could see the Georgia trial happening this Summer

You very well may be right about Georgia, but I highly doubt Judge Chutkan allows Jan 6th trial to be delayed for a significant amount of time, if at all. Cannon's trial is another story; she obviously will do whatever she can without appearing too deferential to trump to allow him to keep pushing back the documents case. But yeh, I don't see Judge Chutkan letting trump's team of clowns delay the DC trial by more than 2-4 weeks at most. The deadline for any kind of pretrial motion is freaking October. They're gonna throw endless amounts of s*** at the wall come October, but I very much doubt much of it sticks. That trial will likely start no less than April.

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https://twitter.com/MurphyAJC/status/1697263906576851172

I most definitely did not have Based Brian Kemp on my 2023 bingo.

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https://twitter.com/AnthonyMKreis/status/1697358925362782425

This is why 99% of the trial attorneys you see on TV predicted he wouldn't take the stand. He's still unlikely to get his case moved to federal court, and now he's further opened himself up to legal peril and Fani Willis can show this series of events from his testimony at his trial. Bonehead move. The idiot should have just flipped on trump.

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Here's a new twist: one of the defendants, Harrison Floyd, plans to prove in court that Trump actually won the 2020 election in Georgia.

https://www.ajc.com/politics/fulton-rico-defendant-seeks-to-prove-trump-won-election/ECLDBTJC2FAQJLIFEVCG45BCWM/

Man, I was happy before that this trial is going to be televised, but now? Hot damn, this is going to better television than Game of Thrones, Ozark or Shameless. There's gonna be a popcorn shortage for months.