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Florida Man for Crime
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« on: January 15, 2020, 04:14:54 AM »

So now all the Bernie Sanders supporters have decided that they no longer like the only other candidate besides Sanders who supports a wealth tax etc, and if they can't have Bernie, they would rather have the guy (Biden) that just 24 hours ago many of the same people were attacking for his willingness to cut social security and his vote in favor of the Iraq war.

Doesn't really make sense from a policy perspective, but interesting change of perspective, I guess...

Here's a shocker --- I guess voters don't vote based on policy ---- , and that many self-proclaimed "progressive" voters actually may care about some other things more than progressive policies.

If so, then why did i.e. Beto O'Rourke get attacked, apparently just for policy reasons, because of not being sufficiently progressive and pure like Bernie was? Just didn't like Beto's style I guess, apparently it wasn't about policy after all, if Biden is now looking so good?
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Florida Man for Crime
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Junior Chimp
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« Reply #1 on: January 15, 2020, 11:59:33 AM »

So now all the Bernie Sanders supporters have decided that they no longer like the only other candidate besides Sanders who supports a wealth tax etc, and if they can't have Bernie, they would rather have the guy (Biden) that just 24 hours ago many of the same people were attacking for his willingness to cut social security and his vote in favor of the Iraq war.

Doesn't really make sense from a policy perspective, but interesting change of perspective, I guess...
If you take her word for it, sure. Why should you?

The real question is that regardless of what was said in some conversation 1 year ago, why do you care? What does any of this have to do with the policies supported by either Bernie Sanders or Elizabeth Warren?

If you want to make your choice of who to support based on things other than policy, then fine. There are some legitimate reasons to support/oppose candidates that are not directly based on policy. But if so, then one should say (or at least be honest with oneself) that one doesn't vote based on policy, and doesn't prioritize progressive policy positions above other aims.
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Florida Man for Crime
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Junior Chimp
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« Reply #2 on: January 17, 2020, 08:45:20 PM »

Meanwhile Bernie has been lying to voters for five years that he could break up banks, eliminate student loan debt, and throw 140 million people off their insurance if he holds enough rallies in Louisville, Kentucky. A mess.

This seems like a pretty disingenuous attack. As I recall, you were pretty enthusiastic about Stacey Abrams in 2018. If she had been elected Governor, would she have been able to enact all the policies that she would have liked to enact, if there were GOP control of the GA state legislature? Seems quite doubtful.

This is simply what politicians do when they campaign - they say what policies they would like to enact.

Whether it is possible for them to be enacted depends not on whether the voters elect any one politician, but on all of the various politicians that the voters elect.

Supposing that the voters elect Bernie Sanders with a GOP Senate, and the GOP Senate decides not to pass what Bernie Sanders wants to pass, that is no more his fault than it would be if the voters in GA elected Stacey Abrams, but the GOP still held a majority in the GA state legislature (probably with help from gerrymandered districts etc) and said "hell no, we are not doing what the black lady wants us to do."

The same is true for all politicians fairly universally - when campaigning, they say what they would like to do, but whether they can actually do it depends in large part on who else the voters (or the electoral system, more precisely, since most elections are not free and fair) decide to elect along with them.
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Florida Man for Crime
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Junior Chimp
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« Reply #3 on: January 18, 2020, 06:01:39 PM »

All the vitriol the Sanders people had for Warren seems to have been dismissed. She did not leak the story or lie. It's clear Bernie said something to the effect even if it was misinterpreted and it's now being made clear she wasn't the one who planted the story.


 So what now?

https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=354409.0
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Florida Man for Crime
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Junior Chimp
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« Reply #4 on: January 18, 2020, 07:05:25 PM »

I have never understood the logic of expecting employers to cover the cost of health care.

It is not based in logic. It is based in path-dependency which creates entrenched interest groups and inertial resistance to change.
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