The real reason Dems hate Bush

[angus]

Hughento... Bush isn't from Texas.
He's from Connecticut.

I love it whenever the talking heads on CNN and FOX say Kerry'll never play in the heartland because he's this elitist yalie from back east.  Wait, wasn't Mr. Bush born in New Haven, CT with a silver spoon in this mouth?  Didn't he go to high school in some fancy New England prep school?  Didn't he go to Yale and then get a Harvard MBA.  

Now, Jeb...  Born in Midland, graduate of UT, and married to a hispanic.  There's a Bush country republican.  

Oh, both Jeb and George are 16th cousins of John Kerry.  I love the surrealism.  

[angus]

Hughento... Bush isn't from Texas.
He's from Connecticut.

I love it whenever the talking heads on CNN and FOX say Kerry'll never play in the heartland because he's this elitist yalie from back east.  Wait, wasn't Mr. Bush born in New Haven, CT with a silver spoon in this mouth?  Didn't he go to high school in some fancy New England prep school?  Didn't he go to Yale and then get a Harvard MBA.  

Now, Jeb...  Born in Midland, graduate of UT, and married to a hispanic.  There's a Bush country republican.  

Oh, both Jeb and George are 16th cousins of John Kerry.  I love the surrealism.  

Jeb comes off as much more Yaley than GW.

Hey wait a minute!  I'm a UT alum.  Class of '90.  I'll have none of that trash talk about Jeb coming off as a Yalie.  Go Longhorns.  

[angus]

Go Aggies!

Hola amigo.  Adonde fuiste?  

Did you know that there are three types of Aggies?
     Those who can count and those who can't.  

[angus]

I think if Bush were to not run in November he would be well remembered, I think if he gets re-elected and messes up everyone will hate him a few decades down the line although he may not mess up, only time will tell.

There's a history prof at my graduate alma mater, Boston University, named Robert Dalek (sp?) who's always fuming on CNN about how the Bushes will make nice one-term bookends for the magnificient Clinton Presidency.  I think Robert is a jackass.  You out there professor?

[angus]

you are taught by Robert Dallek author of JFK: An Unfinished Life?!?!?!?!?!?!

we've met.  I never took his course.  sounds like you want to suck his cock

[angus]

way over the line.  I hope you can accept my apology.  

[angus]

JohnFKennedy,

Have you finished reading the book? As I told you, Dallek is not the most objective fellow in the world. Please keep in mind that even though he is a historian, he has an agenda...mainly he hates Republicans and loves Democrats.

as, apparently, does mr. kennedy.

[angus]

I'd be willing to bet that in 20 years when he's our age, he'll be a Republican.

sounds like blasphemy to me jfk...

no credibility gaps here markdel.  Gotta love the anonymity of the world wide web.

well, now that I think about it, Justice is doing its best to take that away too.  sigh.

[angus]

i know you didn't start it markdel, i was merely giving the reasons you said in your earlier post as my reasons, they didn't quite say it in exactly the way you wrote it when listing them though although they are how they can be interpreted, and they didn't quite say my 3rd grade teacher was a mean old republican lol .

Remember how Kermit used to say "it ain't easy being green"?  Well, sometimes it ain't easy being republican either.  

"Better the pride that resides in a citizen of the world
 Than the pride that divides when a colorful rag is unfurled."
---Rush

anybody buy into that?  Sometimes I do.  When I'm really ing drunk.  Ask me again in november.

[angus]

James Joyce...sorry for not clarifying. You know, "Stream of Consciousness"

yeah, we got that smartass.  I bet, being a lawyer, you hang around a bunch of democrats.  I emphasize.  "a joyce-like quality to your thought process" is a very politically correct way for saying you're scatter-brained, but you occassionally say something interesting, so I'll continue reading, FYI johnfkennedy.  Sounds like your colleagues are rubbing off on you mark.    

[angus]

I think I meant to write empathize.  Man, I need a stiff drink.

[angus]

James Joyce...sorry for not clarifying. You know, "Stream of Consciousness"

yeah, we got that smartass.  I bet, being a lawyer, you hang around a bunch of democrats.  I emphasize.  "a joyce-like quality to your thought process" is a very politically correct way for saying you're scatter-brained, but you occassionally say something interesting, so I'll continue reading, FYI johnfkennedy.  Sounds like your colleagues are rubbing off on you mark.    

I am confused a bit Steven, was that mainly referring to me as I am only 16 if the lawyer bit was and I am not American

I think we're all confused.  

[angus]

This is a joycean wet dream.

Anybody want to see janet's other nipple, or is that just me?

[angus]

I just got a big piece of red meat and a cheap bottle of some gritty cote-du-rhone.  I intend to cook the piece about 30 seconds on each side and devour it.  Any catholic who has as high an iron content during Lent as I do will surely burn in hell.  I'd like to know, honestly, mark, wouldn't you love to see it be 269-269 bush kerry and go to the House?  Man, any junkie who loved the six-week-long election nite last time is gonna love this one!

quid pro quo, I'll answer the open question you posed above, as I spent my very early formative years in Galveston and my later formative years in Boston, then as an adult lived in both those areas.  So, at least anecdotally, I think I'm as qualified as anyone to answer.  I think the answer is neither, or both.  Don't you??

[angus]

a really sexy israeli woman I met when I was working in Amsterdam introduced me to the phrase "geopolitical bigotry" a few years ago.

Behind every joke there's a modicum of truth.  No?  When JFK writes what he writes (and such a young intelligent mind is certainly a blank slate, what do you want to write on it?), I'm reminded that the buzz on Republicans is that we're elitist, racist, amoral pigs.  But you don't believe that or you wouldn't be a republican, if I may be so presumptive.  There's no "representative" america.  Maybe Edward's is right.  Maybe there are two.  Rich/poor.  I don't want to fan those flames though (yeah, right.  he he)  I get that "left-coast" elitist thing thrown in my face at every at every opportunity.  Did anyone ever ask?  No.  I'd just caution against judging Kerry too harshly because somehow there's more nobility, say, in an impoverished black missippian than a waspy yalie snob from Boston.

[angus]

mark, dune rocks.  you made an interesting suggestion about its applicability that I haven't heard before though.

Silly me.  It's all right there.  excellent analysis.  

by the bye, joe bob hunter (real name, not joseph robert) from Longview, Tx turned me on to that intriguing piece of literature.

[angus]

We should end all forms of welfare.  If people want to do stupid things then that is their prerogative, as long as they don't come crying when they're screwed.

That's what we call compassionate conservatism

yes, mark, I'm being a tool.

Hey rightwingnut, do you agree that mccain-feingold is totally illegal?  Particularly as regards soft money?

and ncjake, I think you just got the answer to your original question.  I think.  paz y amor

[angus]

crees que es la verdad?  disafortunadamente si.  digame homeboy.

[angus]

The real reason Democrats dislike Bush is that he's a complete screw-up.

I respectfully disagree.  That's exactly the reasons republicans dislike bush, but the question is why do democrats dislike bush.  

My impression is the same as yours, more or less, in your original analysis ncjake.  But as a serious republican, well, as a US citizen whose 42nd president was William Jefferson Clinton, let me take a moment to address your comments about Mr. Clinton.  To wit:

No, his taste in women (either Hillary or Monica) is a little bizarre and doesn't recommend him to me on that merit, but you can't hold that against him.  I hope you don't think national security is affected by who's blowing him at the moment.  And he is missed.  You understand that.  Not the general lies (no I don't know whether perjury is impeachable, that's a question for the resident authority on constitutional law), not the general transition from a 38 to the 50+ hour workweek, not the consummerist free-for-all, McDonald's lifestyle, and attendant gaudiness and waste, not the continuation of UN sanctions against Iraq (though you and I may disagree here), and not the general buffoonery.  But I was reminded today before I went on my bicycle ride through the barrio of his words in 1996 when Iran met the futbol team of the Great Satan on the championship field.  Bear in mind that this was big for Iran too because the Ayatollah Khomeni had been pretty hard on soccer and caused the team's decline over the years.  (yes, I'm a typical gringo and played and bet on and study baseball closely, but have no idea how to play that weird kicking game that cubanos do.)  He recognized that it was weird and he reminded us that it was a time to put aside the differences between our two great nations.  That this was an opportunity to meet in sportsmanship and honor on the field.  He suggested that a brighter future lay ahead.   This is what we all miss now.    Of course the state-sponsored TV celebrations depicting frequent burning of the star-spangled banner belied the sore winner's frustration with our government's imperial follies perhaps.  And perhaps Mr. Clinton's optimism was a bit misplaced.  

The circumstances are different now.  It's nobody's fault.  It's everybody's fault.  We have seen our buildings in flames, we no longer have the innocence of a 70s LSD-dropping flower child who knows no better.  We saw our commander-in-chief in George Walker Bush after September 11, 2001.  A steady hand and a calm voice.  A man who passed the test of crisis and united the nation.  I don't know whether foreigners, or most yankees either, fully appreciate the extreme anguish, and later determination to act, that Mr. Bush must have felt then.  I'm not sure I do.  But I must say I saw in my President a Leader among men.  Not a megalomaniac with a megaphone and a slick silk jacket, but a committed head of state in time of confusion and mystery.  I do not deny that he was a failed business man and a spoiled frat-boy.  Some Nader voters have said it makes no difference.  Some have said Gore would had 90 percent approvals for weeks.  No one knows, really.  I have no illusions that the election wasn't a tie and we just got luckier, don't get me wrong.  But we have a known and and an unknown quantity.  True, the known is a screw-up, but an honorable and tested one.  If you decide to vote for Mr. Kerry (or Mr. Brown, or Mr. Buchanan, or Mr. Nader or whomever), on the basis of simple bigotry against Mr. Bush, I'd ask you to free your mind instead.  Fracture yourselves.  Split the opposition.  

--You will all be assimilated

[angus]

You want to know why dems hate Bush:  he's president and they're not.

okay, I'll shut up  

[angus]

2. This is despite the fact that 52% of Americans voted for so called 'liberal elitists' Nader and Gore.

3. This is despite the fact that many of people who picked Bush over Gore were democrat leaning moderates, but were swayed by a particular issue. Like coal miners voting against Gore's 'clean energy' ; or Steel workers voting against free trade; or Union workers and Catholics voting against abortion; or Cubans voting about Elian Gonzalez. I'm not saying that all the members of these groups were single issue voters, but i think it can be said that the election was close enough that 'defectors' due to these issues were able to sway the vote.  
 
This isn't the only reason of course, but it certainly doesn't help. I hate people who try to paint me as some liberal elistist simply because i think women should have control of their own bodies, and that killing thousands of innocent iraqis is not neccessarily a good thing.

what?!?!

First, gore ain't liberal.
And ralph is certainly no elitist.

and we're still fighting over termination of pregnancy?!  While I agree that some 17-year-old numbskull with no job and no money has no business having a kid, if she wants to carry it to term it's her business.  I don't think the government can or should force anyone to terminate their pregnancies.  I think everybody in this society feels that way.  I thought we were past all that crap.  You're not one of these feminazi pigs are you?  Not that there's anything wrong with that.  In fact, I think that's kinda sexy.

[angus]

Naw, it was a pathetic attempt at misogyny.  

But I'm genuinely suprised by gore being described as liberal.  I mean in the American Standard English sense.  I did read your post a while back where you explained that in Sweden you call liberal what I'd definitely call conservative.

My phd is in chemical physics.  I still have a tendency to think of conservative as in a conservative collision between two particles is one in which the sum of the linear momenta of the colliding particles doesn't change during the collision.  I apply that term to anti-authoritarian republicans like myself.

[angus]

Huh?

I'll bite.  I never know whether people are joking.  But I think I mean something like 'without deformation during the process' or, you could argue, 'unyielding' at a stretch.  So I'm stubborn.  That's conservative for me.  I like to sit in the chair farthest right of the King, if I might.  (yeah, right.  no i'm not rich, but i'd rather be.)  Anyway I detest being called a liberal republican, but on the other hand the politically-correct and the book-burners get on my nerves, so it's a bit hypocritical to point all this out to you.  I work around a bunch of moralist democrats.  Youze are all nice, thanks for the patience.  Rant finished.  

Oh, Kghadial, I meant no offense.  You are certainly welcome.  I'm new too and everyone has been very welcoming to me.  Salaam.

[angus]

I have never made such claims, as my previous posts will show, but I know there are those who do.

I'll concede to all your other points.

peace.

[angus]

And I am not some feminazi, because well I'm male.
 

Well if feminazism is merely belief in social and political equality of the sexes, it's certain that men can be feminazis as well.

I don't think sane people can be anything that ends with nazi. Even though I'm not enitrely sure what feminazi means. I'm guessing that it's a deameaning label of radical feminism.

Free therapy, man.  Rock on.

we still cool, baptismbyfire?