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angus
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« on: January 22, 2006, 10:30:55 AM »

Posted Saturday, Jan 21

Torry vote pretty steady at 38ish %

Huge spike in undecided, but undecided are all soft Grits looking at NDP, and soft NDP looking at Grits.



Reminds me of that "soul food" place on the corner of 125th and Manhattan Avenue I ate at over the summer.  And a bunch of other places in Harlem as well.

Anyway, thanks Vorlon for the data.  And thanks to you Al.  Don't really know how I could have missed this 35-page thread.
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« Reply #1 on: January 22, 2006, 01:47:10 PM »

Final SC poll... Con 37%, Lib 27%, NDP 18%. All regional changes well within the MoE. Pollster says things are very steady now; few changes over the past few days.

Also have a look at this: http://www.ekos.com/admin/articles/21Jan2006Background.pdf

Interesting Al.  Seems that Con makes steady gains at the expense of the Lib, NDP, and BQ, with green holding steady at a whopping 4 percent.  Am I reading this right?  Some regional aspects unsurprising.  Alberta seems like the Wyoming (or the Bavaria) of Canada, politically.  Quebec the Kurdistan of Canada.  Or used to be before Cretien's ascent seemed to placate some of the more chauvinistic elements of francophonia.  I must admit that I don't follow Canadian elections closely, since I have no direct investments in that country's economy.  My money's in US and Germany at the moment.  But my wife's sister and her husband and child live and work in Toronto and are seeking legal entry into the USA.  Seems Canada has become a staging point for folks trying to get into the US, either legally or illegaly, based on conversations I've had.  (e.g., the Bengali colleague I often mention comes here from Canada as well.)  Still, that country's economy is no weaker than ours at the moment, just much smaller and thus without the great potential for mobility of workers, so you have to wonder what underlies the shift in allegiances we're apparently seeing.  I say "apparently" because as you know the proof will be in the pudding.  That said, I have no personal favorites, save whichever groups are most likely to assist my extended family in their intended migration into this country.  Interesting to speculate about the cause of the shifts, though. 

Help me to try to understand the question on page 24.  "Vote switchers:  CPC or bandwagon effect?"  Is that asking voters whether they'd vote strategically, and differently, if it seems like the probable outcome would produce a coalition they'd not be comfortable with?  And what do the terms specifically mean?  I admit my ignorance in advance.  Thanks.
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« Reply #2 on: January 23, 2006, 03:45:10 PM »

Well, I had communicated to Al privately to say that there is surprisingly little interest in Canadian elections here, compared to US interest in say Iraq, Germany, UK, etc., given that Canada is our number-one trading partner.  At least the sheer volume of print media and televised media stories is quite low it seems.  So I've done some homework to answer some of my own questions.  First, gay marriage is a HUGE issue in this campaign.  Stephen Harper (Conservative Leader) has promised to hold a "free vote" in the House of Commons on the issue if he forms a government.  This likely has given CPC an edge.  Because unlike the U.S. system, Canadian parliament members (MPs) are expected to vote the party line.  Harper maintains that the traditional definition of marriage of one man + one woman can be restored by a "free vote" wherein under unusual circumstances MPs are released to vote their consciences.   However, many constitutional experts disagree with Harper.  They think any move to end same-sex marriage will require use of a device called the "notwithstanding clause" (which overrules part of the Charter of Rights in our constitution.)  Not easy to do.  Nevertheless Harper and his Conservative colleagues are playing up the issue it seems.

Also, relationships with the United States have been and remain a huge issue.  Harper says he will "...improve relations between Canada and the United States, which comprise the world's largest trading bloc and conduct some $1.5 billion in business daily," according to WaPo Beth Duff-Brown, and it's probably a safe bet that although the Bushies are reticent to make public pronouncements, they would like to see a CPC victory, especially given the outcry from the Bush Administration's ambassador to Canada over Martin's well-publicized photo-op with Clinton during a Kyoto follow-up conference in Montreal early in the campaign.  It should also be noted that Harper wants to spend more on Canada's military, expand its peacekeeping mission in Afghanistan and tighten security along the border with the United States to stop terrorists and guns from crossing.  No doubt the GOP likes the tune he's singing.

Promises of reform on Social Welfare, health care, childcare, crime and other programs also seem to have affected the allegiances, and this, coupled with the fact that MPs are under such constraints to vote the party line (again, unlike in the USA) that we have a pretty good explanation of the shifts.

Of course there could be other explanations for a mass shifts to CPC.  A cow from Alberta just tested positive for Mad Cow disease yesterday.

The official prediction can be found in today's New York Times.  All the news that's fit to print. 

"And then some."
     --Jayson Blair

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/international/AP-Canada-Election.html

Still, whether there's any real shift at the ballot box is another issue.  We'll just have to wait for the reporting won't we?   

Keep it here, Al.  Smiley

The globe and mail also has some good reporting, just FYI.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/
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« Reply #3 on: January 23, 2006, 04:03:06 PM »

Here's a fun feature for the serious junkies among you:

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/elections/fed2005/fragments/results/provincialResults.html

You click on the province for breakdown by parties (e.g., CPC, NDP, the marijuana party, etc.)  It's empty now, but stay tuned at 10:00 pm EST.

Given our national lack of interest, I've been turning to canadian sources more and more over WaPo and NYT.  Though ye olde Jerusalem blog has become pretty detailed I see.  You could just put your data all there, Al, and make brief posts as you update.  Makes you look like a popular guy to get all those hits.  Of course, it'll bog you down if you're dialing up.
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