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  Who was more left-wing: Teddy Roosevelt or Grover Cleveland? (search mode)
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Question: Who was more left-wing?
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Teddy Roosevelt
 
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Grover Cleveland
 
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E-Dawg
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« on: May 28, 2023, 01:20:42 PM »

And for a bonus questions, how would the two of them voted in elections after their deaths?
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E-Dawg
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« Reply #1 on: May 29, 2023, 01:26:16 PM »

Something that is both very interesting and very pertinent to his topic, is that Theodore Roosevelt (who at that point in time was just as unambiguously to the left of the median Republican politician as he was both before and after that point in time) strongly considering voting for Cleveland in 1884, but decided against it only so that he would more likely be able to climb the ranks of the Republican Party in his career afterwards. (If anything, this would suggest that Teddy lied between Cleveland and the Republican Party's corpus on any "left-right" political spectrum.)

Also, Teddy was unambiguously more "imperialist" and less liberal-internationalist than Cleveland.
Maybe he secretly did vote for Cleveland when he actually voted then.
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E-Dawg
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« Reply #2 on: May 30, 2023, 12:29:15 AM »

We have to understand these people in context.

Cleveland was the last classical liberal to hold office as President. The reason many tend to mislabel him as a conservative, or want to portray him as one, is because liberalism was already transitioning in the late 19th century. This is the period in which the notion of "classical liberalism" were developed to differentiate from the "New/Modern Liberals". The term social liberalism was also used to refer to the latter group but carried a different meaning from that of today, as it referred mainly to "reforms to help the lower social classes", rather than to the "social issues" that we refer to today as such.

Even as a classical liberal, Cleveland still supported reforms and opposed speculators and corruption and the like, he just had a different philosophy about how to reign them in.

TR was certainly not pleased with the 1884 nominee and a lot of reform minded Republicans jumped ship that year. That said I do recall some tensions between TR and Cleveland from Cleveland's time as Governor.
Do you believe that Cleveland would have remained a Democrat into the FDR era, or that he would have voted Republican by that point? After all, John W. Davis and Al Smith turned against FDR by 1936.
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E-Dawg
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« Reply #3 on: June 23, 2023, 01:05:10 AM »


Cleveland's "anti-corruption" and Free Trade tendencies were indeed a very crucial aspect of the contemporary "Progressive" movement

In what sense was Teddy Roosevelt less "anti-corruption" than Cleveland? How did that manifest in policy between the two of them? Also, outside of tariffs, in what sense was Roosevelt more economically right wing than Cleveland?
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