(Dems).. Do you think '20 Dem Ticket should include...

[Cold War Liberal]

Yes. And people on the right can scream about identity politics all day while they vote based on disenfranchising non-whites. F--k them. Representation matters.

A combination of:

White male + white female (In this case, I would like them to release a shortlist of potential SCOTUS nominees that include several progressive black women.)
White male + minority male or female
White female + minority male

Why not make 2020 the year of the first all-female major party ticket? Kamala Harris at the top and Amy Klobuchar as the running mate? People who have a problem with women being President are voting Trump anyway, and I can't imagine why someone would go "a woman as President, fine, but both the President AND Vice President being women, now that's too far!"

Harris pros:
- Solidly progressive, but not a socialist
- Will be as experienced as Obama was
- Young (good for juxtaposing against the 73 year old Trump; the "Bob Dole effect" but in reverse because the older one is the incumbent)
- African-American
- Indian-American
- Woman

Harris cons:
- Surprisingly not great on prison reform(!)
- The Mnuchin thing (meh)
- From California (people who care are already Trump voters)

Klobuchar pros:
- Quite experienced
- more moderate, but still progressive
- more charismatic than Atlas gives her credit for
- willing to speak up on issues few in government talk about (e.g. sex trafficking)
- from the midwest
- a woman

Klobuchar cons:
- little name recognition (will change)
- while more charismatic than Atlas gives her credit for, she's not exactly Barack Obama (does she need to be?)

No, this kind of quota nonsense got us into this mess in the first place.

Yes, so because insecure white men (and the 53% of white women who decided that they hate immigrants more than they like their own rights) elected their collective id as President of the United States, we should capitulate to their demands that every single President look like them for all eternity? To say nothing of the fact that said collective id lost the popular vote against the least popular woman in America since at least Ethel Rosenberg.

It's not a "quota." I don't want to vote for a black woman so I can pat myself on the back for being "woke" or "not racist" (I'm secure enough in myself that I don't need to virtue signal). There are certain experiences one has when they are:
1) a woman
2) a minority, especially but not exclusively African-American
3) both

that some, including myself, see as valuable and showing merit. I wouldn't vote for an unqualified black candidate I disagree with (e.g. Ben Carson) over a qualified white one that I agree with (e.g. Hillary Clinton) but, ceteris paribus, I will vote for a black woman over a white man because there are certain things black women have to overcome to even reach a point where "ceteris paribus" can be used to describe their situation in relation to a white guy. The fact that black women like Kamala Harris and Stacey Abrams have gotten to that point shows resolve and grit, which is something I want in a leader.

This is not to say white men don't have to work to get into politics. We just don't have to work as hard.

But despite all of these words, if the Democratic ticket is somehow two white guys in 2020 I would still vote for them over Trump, hands-down.

[Cold War Liberal]

Your hatred of whites has reached some pretty insane levels.

"Guys as white people you probably can't quite wrap your head around how important representation is to minorities"

"OMG YOU HATE ALL WHITE PEOPLE"

[Cold War Liberal]

It's literally insulting to the non-white people and women who carry the Democratic Party that they would nominate two white men in order to satisfy a demographic they lose by 30 points.

[Cold War Liberal]

Identity politics is the definition of this question. How about what people are on the actual issues?

3rd wayers do their best to avoid the issues, because they suck so badly on them.

You are both completely off base, but you are both white males so anything that remotely revolves around representation for other groups must seem foreign to you. If you really think advocating for a racially or gender diverse ticket means putting some unqualified, incompetent hack that "sucks on the issues" on board then you aren't wrapped too tight.

Hmmmmmm I wonder where white working class voters get the impression the liberal elites have disdain for them. I didn't vote in the poll because I'm not a democrat. I fully expect democrats to have at least one woman and at least one nonwhite on the ticket. That alone doesn't necessarily hurt you guy with white voters (Obama won Iowa twice), but when you start a discussion with what amounts to "You're a white male so you know nothing and need to shut up" you will lose.

Keep it up! Let's shoot for a 25 point margin among white voters in 2020.

I swear the SJWs are going to get Trump re-elected.

'SJW' is a right wing snarl term used to delegitimize progressive movements and create boogeyman for their base.

Yeah, since when did fighting for people's rights become a bad thing?

I guess Jesus, Gandhi, MLK Jr., and Harvey Milk were all just SJWs too. And look how little they amounted to...

[Cold War Liberal]

Identity politics is the definition of this question. How about what people are on the actual issues?

3rd wayers do their best to avoid the issues, because they suck so badly on them.

You are both completely off base, but you are both white males so anything that remotely revolves around representation for other groups must seem foreign to you. If you really think advocating for a racially or gender diverse ticket means putting some unqualified, incompetent hack that "sucks on the issues" on board then you aren't wrapped too tight.

Hmmmmmm I wonder where white working class voters get the impression the liberal elites have disdain for them. I didn't vote in the poll because I'm not a democrat. I fully expect democrats to have at least one woman and at least one nonwhite on the ticket. That alone doesn't necessarily hurt you guy with white voters (Obama won Iowa twice), but when you start a discussion with what amounts to "You're a white male so you know nothing and need to shut up" you will lose.

Keep it up! Let's shoot for a 25 point margin among white voters in 2020.

I swear the SJWs are going to get Trump re-elected.

'SJW' is a right wing snarl term used to delegitimize progressive movements and create boogeyman for their base.

Yeah, since when did fighting for people's rights become a bad thing?

I guess Jesus, Gandhi, MLK Jr., and Harvey Milk were all just SJWs too. And look how little they amounted to...

Fighting for people's rights isn't the same as being a dumbsh**t SJW who thinks that Bernie has a problem with blacks and women because the white male who called Anita Hill "a little bit nutty and a little bit slutty" had their propaganda tell them so.

I've never heard anyone say Bernie "has a problem" with black people or women. I've heard (and believe myself) that despite marching once half a century ago, he doesn't particularly care much about black people and minorities, which he has, perhaps accidentally, said himself:

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What the hell is an "ordinary American," and why are their issues:
1) separate from those of minorites, and
2) more important than those of minorites?

I'm not saying Sanders is, like, in the Klan or anything, but to put it in personal terms, I doubt the authenticity of his commitment to my rights as a gay person, the rights of people like me, and the rights of my friends, especially those who are black, gay, or both. Sanders would not have my vote in the primary, though I would vote for him in the general because sometimes you have to get over yourself and vote for the lesser of two evils to avoid the greater of two evils, Donald J. Trump.

[Cold War Liberal]

The real concern with Bernie isn't so much that he'd try to end civil rights or whatever, it's that he won't try to push anything ahead or really pay much attention to non-white/Cis/straight/male issues. You can't truly address wealth inequality without accepting how it worsens/is worsened by other forms of discrimination and societal bias. Personally, I don't trust Bernie to do much about these issues, and I don't think he's a great person to lead the left in general.

Exactly what I was trying to say.