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« Reply #300 on: July 06, 2022, 04:06:32 AM »
« edited: July 06, 2022, 04:18:46 AM by Torrain »


The significance of this is that Halfon is on the 1922 Committee Executive. If he, Brady and the rest keep making public noise like this, then I think the logical inference is that they’ll be privately telling Johnson that a rule change is imminent, and to jump before he’s pushed in the coming week. Real revolver and whisky moment coming up.
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« Reply #301 on: July 06, 2022, 05:08:30 AM »
Quote from: TheTide on July 06, 2022, 04:58:28 AM


It worked against Theresa May, and I think we have to be one PMQs, and possibly a cabinet level resignation away from it working with Johnson too. Even a man as self-interested as the PM has to recognise that at the current rate of ministerial resignation, we’re measuring his premiership in hours and days, rather than months or years?
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« Reply #302 on: July 06, 2022, 05:09:46 AM »
Speaking of resignations, the Economic Secretary to the Treasury (no.3 job in the Treasury) has just gone.

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« Reply #303 on: July 06, 2022, 05:12:29 AM »
Felicity Buchan, PPS in Dept. of Business has resigned.
https://mobile.twitter.com/FelicityBuchan/status/1544623549213810689?t=rQWllGgD1lPlyfs7B2-ltQ&s=19
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« Reply #304 on: July 06, 2022, 05:23:57 AM »
« Edited: July 06, 2022, 05:29:04 AM by Torrain »
Johnson’s support in the party before today was 211-148. If we assume that each of the fifteen resignations of the past 24 hours represent genuine loss of confidence, then it’s now more like 196-163, based on public statements alone.

We’re only 17 members away from a majority of the party (180 MPs) moving against him in some form or another, whether VONC vote or government resignation.
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« Reply #305 on: July 06, 2022, 05:38:42 AM »
One more hurdle added to the PM’s schedule today, after PMQs, Javid’s resignation statement, and having to give evidence to the Liaison Committee - the 1922 Committee have scheduled a meeting at 5pm to vote on a VONC rule change:
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« Reply #306 on: July 06, 2022, 05:46:54 AM »
Quote from: Pericles on July 06, 2022, 05:44:06 AM
Oh my gosh this is amazing! Hoping for a swift execution. If it looks like Boris will not just lose but be humiliated in a vote, I wonder if he'll even pre-empt it by resigning to save face, it's supposed to be against his character but he did something like that in 2016.

I know the conventional wisdom is that Johnson will never resign, but this morning has been such a bloodbath that I’m starting to think he might make an announcement at PMQs. We’ll have to see though…
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« Reply #307 on: July 06, 2022, 06:23:02 AM »
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« Reply #308 on: July 06, 2022, 07:17:02 AM »
Quote from: YL on July 06, 2022, 07:09:53 AM
Quote from: Torrain on July 06, 2022, 05:46:54 AM
Quote from: Pericles on July 06, 2022, 05:44:06 AM
Oh my gosh this is amazing! Hoping for a swift execution. If it looks like Boris will not just lose but be humiliated in a vote, I wonder if he'll even pre-empt it by resigning to save face, it's supposed to be against his character but he did something like that in 2016.

I know the conventional wisdom is that Johnson will never resign, but this morning has been such a bloodbath that I’m starting to think he might make an announcement at PMQs. We’ll have to see though…

No sign of that, but I'm struggling to see a way forward for him now.  The 1922 Committee look they are going to change the rules this evening to allow another confidence vote, which he will surely lose.  If he tries to stay on as PM even having lost the Tory leadership, then the new leader can just call a No Confidence motion in the Commons, and (barring forty or so Tory MPs pledging allegiance to Johnson and refusing to support the new leader as PM) the Lascelles Principles imply that the new leader should take over at that point.  He could call a General Election while Lascelles still allows, but that surely just ends in a triumphant speech from the new Labour MP for Uxbridge & South Ruislip.
Yeah - I was very wrong. Johnson is still projecting strength - reports he’s planning to stand in any confidence vote. I hope he does eventually give it up, although the 1922 having to force him out looks ever more likely.
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« Reply #309 on: July 06, 2022, 08:29:06 AM »
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« Reply #310 on: July 06, 2022, 08:34:10 AM »
Reports that Gove has told Johnson that his position is untenable.
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« Reply #311 on: July 06, 2022, 08:46:14 AM »
I’d be careful who you pick as a political hero - Blackford has, like Johnson, spent the past week trying to cover up for an MP credibly accused for sexual assault.
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« Reply #312 on: July 06, 2022, 10:29:00 AM »
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« Reply #313 on: July 06, 2022, 10:47:36 AM »
Boris is in front of the Liaison Committee, and it’s just brutal. In the last few minutes alone, they’ve read out the news that he’s lost another group of PPS, and asked him whether he knows what the maths of losing 148 (confidence vote MPs) + 32 (resignation MPs) means.

Johnson is angry, cornered and refusing to cede any ground.
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« Reply #314 on: July 06, 2022, 10:52:11 AM »
Really strong language in the just-released resignation of Johnson’s PPS Mark Fletcher (who holds Dennis Skinner’s former seat of Bolsover). Explicitly says Johnson blamed Pincher’s victims, for their own alcohol consumption.

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« Reply #315 on: July 06, 2022, 10:55:18 AM »
Quote from: TheTide on July 06, 2022, 10:51:49 AM
Quote from: Torrain on July 06, 2022, 10:47:36 AM
Boris is in front of the Liaison Committee, and it’s just brutal. In the last few minutes alone, they’ve read out the news that he’s lost another group of PPS, and asked him whether he knows what the maths of losing 148 (confidence vote MPs) + 32 (resignation MPs) means.

Johnson is angry, cornered and refusing to cede any ground.
And the news about the cabinet delegation.

Yeah - he’s just ignoring all of it.
And as I’m writing, he just ruled out resigning again, and pivoted to a demand that he be allowed to fulfil his manifesto. The whole answer devolved into a waffle about charging electric cars. It’s beyond parody.
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« Reply #316 on: July 06, 2022, 11:01:05 AM »
Quote from: Sir Mohamed 🇺🇸 🇺🇦 on July 06, 2022, 10:55:51 AM
At this rate, I doubt BoJo even makes it through the summer. Literally no chance he'll be PM on New Year's Eve. Even if he doesn't the realize it yet, the dude is done.
The scale of rebellion is unprecedented. If he doesn’t resign tonight, I’m fairly confident there will be a confidence vote in the next 48 hours. The whips cannot even find candidates to fill major ministerial roles. The government is functionally paralysed.
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« Reply #317 on: July 06, 2022, 01:48:38 PM »
ITV’s deputy political editor is painting a picture of a deeply deluded man.
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« Reply #318 on: July 06, 2022, 02:24:41 PM »
I have this vague feeling that a vote of confidence in the Commons is no longer unlikely, if Johnson survives until tomorrow morning.

The Government would still be 99% assured of a win, but it would let Starmer do two things. Firstly, it lets him look genuinely proactive in trying to bring a government that is publicly falling apart. And secondly, it forces Tory MPs to either break the whip (and almost certainly be turfed out of the party), or put their support for what is still Boris Johnson’s government ion the public record.

Maybe that’s totally off the reservation - my nerves are fried after an insane day in Westminster, but I don’t think it’s out of the question.
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« Reply #319 on: July 06, 2022, 05:16:58 PM »
Quote from: ηєω ƒяσηтιєя on July 06, 2022, 05:13:05 PM
Is GB News conservative/right-leaning? Kind of like the UK's Fox News or am I wrong?
They really badly want to be Fox News, but are constrained by our version of the fairness doctrine, a lack of talent, and a tiny viewership.
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« Reply #320 on: July 06, 2022, 05:25:57 PM »
Suella Braverman launching a doomed leadership candidacy - before the PM has resigned, and while trying to stay in cabinet. In an insane day, that’s got to be in the top ten barmy moments.
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« Reply #321 on: July 06, 2022, 05:32:22 PM »
Cabinet as of 8am tomorrow:
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« Reply #322 on: July 06, 2022, 06:03:01 PM »
It’s midnight here - and the resignations are still coming.
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« Reply #323 on: July 06, 2022, 06:29:54 PM »
Quote from: Pres Mike on July 06, 2022, 06:22:14 PM
Boris Johnson needs to stand his ground.

The conservative party overwhelming wanted him to be their leader. Not MPs but the actually voters.

The UK wanted him to be PM in 2019 and gave him a strong majority.

There are segments of the conservative party that never liked him and never truly accepted him as leader despite the nationwide party wanting him.

All these resignations are traitors. Rishi Sunak Sajid Javid are jumping ship because they want to be PM, not morals.

Mate.
  • 46 MPs resigned from his government today.
  • Party whips believe they can count on the support of less than 70 of their 358 MPs in a confidence vote in the PM.
  • Numerous sources suggest that Johnson cannot find MPs to replace the nearly 50 vacancies in government
  • Both the Tory press, and now members of the cabinet are openly speculating about his successor
The party is over. The Johnson premiership should now be measured in hours, not days or weeks.
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« Reply #324 on: July 06, 2022, 06:35:42 PM »
I know it’s gratuitous. But BBC Newsnight just listing the resignations of the past 24 hours, like the closing credits to the Johnson error era just puts into perspective how utterly bats**t this day has been.

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