COVID-19 Megathread 5: The Trumps catch COVID-19

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Small business loan program discriminated against women, minorities: lawsuit

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The lawsuit was brought by Glitz and Glam Jewelry by LJ, solely owned and operated by LeTresa Williams, and by Alvin Vaughn, sole owner and operator of a financial services business.

They alleged that the loan program, which ran out of money last week, allowed businesses with employees to apply for loans before those without, which they said are disproportionately owned by women and minorities.

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White House mulls liability protection for reopening businesses: Trump adviser

I see this administration has its priorities in order.

That's quite a stretch and you know it.

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The US is going to set a new daily record for deaths today (at least according to the worldometers count).  The models that projected the peak to come around April 10 were clearly way off.

The peak in deaths isn't the same as a peak in new cases, and you must realize this is backlog right? It doesn't give an accurate picture into how many people are actually dying from this per day.

The cases are going to have a longer tail that many models predicted. Particularly with dumbass governors like in Georgia.

Well they haven't shown that they will. Every moment throughout the crisis, the result has been better than the projections. Almost every state, minus a handful, are seeing new case rates falling. Backlogs don't count.

I doubt that the reopening of a select amount of businesses in GA will have any real effect.

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The US is going to set a new daily record for deaths today (at least according to the worldometers count).  The models that projected the peak to come around April 10 were clearly way off.

The peak in deaths isn't the same as a peak in new cases, and you must realize this is backlog right? It doesn't give an accurate picture into how many people are actually dying from this per day.

The cases are going to have a longer tail that many models predicted. Particularly with dumbass governors like in Georgia.

Well they haven't shown that they will. Every moment throughout the crisis, the result has been better than the projections. Almost every state, minus a handful, are seeing new case rates falling. Backlogs don't count.

I doubt that the reopening of a select amount of businesses in GA will have any real effect.

This is because people and governments have taken action designed to prevent reaching those projections!  Do you people not understand cause-and-effect?  The logic you and others keep repeating is like this:

A husband and wife are driving down the highway.  The husband is driving and going way above the speed limit.  The wife warns him to slow down or he'll get a speeding ticket.  He does so in time to avoid a speeding ticket from the motorcycle cop hiding behind a billboard, who he never sees.  They arrive at their destination and the husband says "see, I didn't need to slow down!  We could have been here a lot sooner if I'd kept up to speed."

Statistical models are a moving target that are based on certain assumptions and behaviors.  If you change any of those behaviors, then of course the results will change.  How can you follow elections and not understand this?

You don't understand. The results are better than the projections that factored in social distancing. I'm not arguing for a premature relaxation of the restrictions, i'm just saying the truth to own the alarmists.

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As if this couldn't get any weirder, a white hat hacker group has just posted the online login information for all employees of the WIV, CDC, NIH, WHO, and the Gates Foundation. They say they are going through the data now, but one authentic appearing screenshot from an employee of the Wuhan Institute of Virology appears to show a discussion of inserting an HIV single nucleotide protein into a coronavirus. If this is true, prepare for World War III.

Oh God it's now here on the forum as if I didn't see enough of it on reddit and twitter

Is it credible?

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I'm crossing my fingers desperately that this is just Beet being Beet.

But even Beet being Beet has proven to hold unappreciated wisdom at times, so consider me a little scared.

I can't find anything about this on 4chan. If 4chan isn't eating it up already, it's a nothingburger.

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The US is going to set a new daily record for deaths today (at least according to the worldometers count).  The models that projected the peak to come around April 10 were clearly way off.

The peak in deaths isn't the same as a peak in new cases, and you must realize this is backlog right? It doesn't give an accurate picture into how many people are actually dying from this per day.

The cases are going to have a longer tail that many models predicted. Particularly with dumbass governors like in Georgia.

Well they haven't shown that they will. Every moment throughout the crisis, the result has been better than the projections. Almost every state, minus a handful, are seeing new case rates falling. Backlogs don't count.

I doubt that the reopening of a select amount of businesses in GA will have any real effect.

gurl where are you getting "select" from? the entire state is basically reopening

I'm a dude, and the governor literally said select businesses. Restaurants among them, along with Salons and Gyms.

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The good news is we'll probably be more prepared to deal with it, at least at the state level.

This. Hospital capacities will be swelled in anticipation, and treatments will be available, so we might not even need social distancing.

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The good news is we'll probably be more prepared to deal with it, at least at the state level.

This. Hospital capacities will be swelled in anticipation, and treatments will be available, so we might not even need social distancing.

There are not enough hospitals or hospital staff so social distancing will be needed during outbreaks until a vaccine is ready and administered.

I don't think you read anything of what I said.

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They just reduced 1,100 cases off California. So apparently it didn't have 3,000 cases today.

Alarmists BTFO

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Am I the only person who legit thinks dine-in restaurants, malls, and theaters are done after this?

You are.

Malls aren't done, but this sped up their decline. Govt should use funds and distribute them to big retail.

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Am I the only one who thinks that Gilead is just leaking results so they can pump their stock prices?

I just have zero faith that anything works at this point.

Ur like the opposite of Donald Trump's Toupe

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My states trendline of daily new cases

Also the % of positive tests is dropping, we went from 11.9% last week to 9.8% today, my county went from 13.8% 2 weeks ago to 6.0% today

"Cases are only decreasing because testing is" talking point BTFO

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Hasn't it been about a week since NY instated their most stringing requirements, including mandating masks? I see that as having an effect more so than herd immunity at this point.

It depends on what you mean. In the short run, yes masks may be more immediately helpful. But in the long run, it's not enough to get the numbers down unless we completely eradicate the virus. We eventually need to either get the numbers down to effectively zero, or get herd immunity, or else the virus will keep coming back anytime we relax the quarantines at all. NYC area is probably a lot closer to herd immunity than it is to eradication, though obviously the latter is preferable.

Or, the government could just do what everyone else is doing and use contact tracing and easy testing to keep the virus under control, and enact local stay at home orders in areas where local outbreaks occur.

You aren't even factoring in heat.

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Hasn't it been about a week since NY instated their most stringing requirements, including mandating masks? I see that as having an effect more so than herd immunity at this point.

It depends on what you mean. In the short run, yes masks may be more immediately helpful. But in the long run, it's not enough to get the numbers down unless we completely eradicate the virus. We eventually need to either get the numbers down to effectively zero, or get herd immunity, or else the virus will keep coming back anytime we relax the quarantines at all. NYC area is probably a lot closer to herd immunity than it is to eradication, though obviously the latter is preferable.

Or, the government could just do what everyone else is doing and use contact tracing and easy testing to keep the virus under control, and enact local stay at home orders in areas where local outbreaks occur.

You aren't even factoring in heat.

That's assuming we can get the infection down to very very low levels to begin with.  We're not going to be able to contact trace 700k people, much less the number of mild or asymptomatic people. Being able to get into a regime where that's possible is a very good goal -- well beyond just flattening the curve. Ultimately the goal of this is to eradicate the virus (or hold it off from the general population until a vaccine).

This is the best option from the standpoint of saving lives, but means a long haul of quarantines first.

From how I see it, this is what is going to happen.

New case rates continue to fall and Meclazine's map becomes reality. By June we are at 100-200 cases per day nationally. Governors drop restrictions and adopt contact tracing measures. "Winter is coming" becomes reality as hospitals are fear mongered into swelling capacity in anticipation for a second surge. The government suppresses local outbreaks with social distancing orders and stay at home orders in those areas. Treatments such as plasma and Remdesivir are approved and put in the hands of hospitals. A second wave eventually hits, shortly after election day, and social distancing is introduced again, but to a lesser extent due to treatments and strong capacity. A vaccine is approved in spring and is mass produced (if not already).

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Am I the only one who thinks that Gilead is just leaking results so they can pump their stock prices?

I just have zero faith that anything works at this point.

Ur like the opposite of Donald Trump's Toupe

Thats a pretty big compliment.

But seriosuly, I have absolutely no faith that anything will actually work at this point.

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https://mobile.twitter.com/grynbaum/status/1253142566708473856

This is the study that found no benefit in treatment but an increase in deaths among those given it.

They keep pushing this just because Trump said it. I thought of a possible treatment that turns out to actually help (blood plasma), but I'm not the President.

Not to mention Remdesivir and a bunch of other treatments that have shown promise. But no, keep doubling down on Hydrox.

OK,

Good news for the Europe and USA. All appear to be on the downward slope now to recovery. The interesting thing about this pandemic is the limited time period displayed in all countries including South Korea and China. 1 month up and 1-2 months down the curve in most instances with a slight variation in the length in some countries.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

I have to disagree with you here. U.S cases are NOT going down, we added more cases today than yesterday and we added 30k+ new cases today....

I don't think you understand the difference between active cases and new cases.

Also, yes, case rates are going town. Slowly at first though.

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Gilead's coronavirus drug flops in first trial - FT

https://news.trust.org/item/20200423162137-vgafb

Gilead currently saying the WHO mischaracterized the report, saying "Importantly, because this study was terminated early due to low enrolment, it was underpowered to enable statistically meaningful conclusions," it said. "As such, the study results are inconclusive, though trends in the data suggest a potential benefit for remdesivir, particularly among patients treated early in disease.".

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How are today's numbers looking?

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Liberals be like...

2001: THE PATRIOT ACT INFRINGES ON OUR RIGHTS ARGGGGGG! !
2020: Government takes my rights, and I’ll cower in the corner in my home. My safe space.

I'm a very right wing user and I support these restrictions. We need to flatten the curve first.

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So what are the chances schools don't meet in the fall?

The chance of the initial crisis continuing into July even, is close to 0.

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So what are the chances schools don't meet in the fall?

The chance of the initial crisis continuing into July even, is close to 0.

How do you think things will be looking in 3 months from now on this date? The 23rd?

Pretty close to normal. Maybe 100-200 cases per day, with 3-10 deaths per day.

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So what are the chances schools don't meet in the fall?

The chance of the initial crisis continuing into July even, is close to 0.

How do you think things will be looking in 3 months from now on this date? The 23rd?

Pretty close to normal. Maybe 100-200 cases per day, with 3-10 deaths per day.

That would be fantastic news, but unfortunately I suspect you are being wildly overoptimistic.

Fortunately for you and everyone else, i'm not. This is the neutral scenario, and it's what the models and experts are saying.

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Another day another 30k new cases sadly this isnt slowing down

Can you stop? You realize not only is our testing system being swelled currently, but it's also Thursday, which is basically the anti-Sunday in terms of new positives.

So what are the chances schools don't meet in the fall?

The chance of the initial crisis continuing into July even, is close to 0.

How do you think things will be looking in 3 months from now on this date? The 23rd?

Pretty close to normal. Maybe 100-200 cases per day, with 3-10 deaths per day.

That would be fantastic news, but unfortunately I suspect you are being wildly overoptimistic.

Fortunately for you and everyone else, i'm not. This is the neutral scenario, and it's what the models and experts are saying.

Well a lot of these models had us starting the descend a week ago and only say we will have 60k deaths... we are going to blow past that in 2 weeks

We did descend a week ago, and we are still descending now.

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Another day another 30k new cases sadly this isnt slowing down

Can you stop? You realize not only is our testing system being swelled currently, but it's also Thursday, which is basically the anti-Sunday in terms of new positives.

So what are the chances schools don't meet in the fall?

The chance of the initial crisis continuing into July even, is close to 0.

How do you think things will be looking in 3 months from now on this date? The 23rd?

Pretty close to normal. Maybe 100-200 cases per day, with 3-10 deaths per day.

That would be fantastic news, but unfortunately I suspect you are being wildly overoptimistic.

Fortunately for you and everyone else, i'm not. This is the neutral scenario, and it's what the models and experts are saying.

Well a lot of these models had us starting the descend a week ago and only say we will have 60k deaths... we are going to blow past that in 2 weeks

We did descend a week ago, and we are still descending now.

I'm disproving your bs takes that we are somehow on the descend. I keep track just like you do and we are not going down the quicker you learn this fact the quicker this thread will be free of your useless drivel

It's a slow decline right now but it's going to go down faster very soon. You can't look at that graph and not notice the slight decline over the past week.