should the whole Russia thing have been avoided?

[forgotten manatee]

Incredibly bad thread and bad premise.

If your real concern is that "Russiagate" somehow undermined the credibility of the Ukraine investigation then I don't know what to tell you. Public support for the inquiry is high. Trump, Giuliani, and others involved have admitted to most of the serious allegations. The 1.5 days of public inquiry have been pretty damaging to Trump's case and have left diehard Trump supporters sputtering in their defense.

Lay off the Chapo. The impeachment isn't winning over Trump diehards because corporate Democants are botching it. It isn't winning them over because they have absolutely no interest in being persuaded, and it won't remove Trump from office because people don't punish Republican Senators for being bad. The Mueller report didn't do any tangible damage here; if Hannity wasn't talking about that he'd be spouting off something dumb. The idea that he or any of these people would honestly admit to the legitimacy of the probe is naive.

Nixon wouldn't have resigned if he had Fox News and an electorate of people who thought Hubert Humphrey murdered his own campaign staffers. The insinuation that there's any way to "force" Trump to resign is silly.


Basically. True blame for this whole mess lies at the feet of the American voter, particularly ones in the upper midwest.