MW: Canadian Provinces Renaming Act of 2014 (Passed)

[Queen Mum Inks.LWC]

FYI, there are no Canadian provinces that are part of the Midwest.  The sponsor of this bill seems to misunderstand the Atlasian-Canadian Common Market Agreement.  The provinces that you are trying to rename are still 100% owned and governed by Canada.

[Queen Mum Inks.LWC]

My apologies on the typo.

I echo AdamGriffin's comments. This doesn't 'annex' these provinces so much as it recognizes them under Midwestern law under new names, so I'm not sure where the legal gray area actually is here, because there isn't one.

The legal gray area comes from the language "provinces recognized as part of the Midwest".  These provinces are not recognized as part of the Midwest.

[Queen Mum Inks.LWC]

My apologies on the typo.

I echo AdamGriffin's comments. This doesn't 'annex' these provinces so much as it recognizes them under Midwestern law under new names, so I'm not sure where the legal gray area actually is here, because there isn't one.

The legal gray area comes from the language "provinces recognized as part of the Midwest".  These provinces are not recognized as part of the Midwest.

Except they are, under the Common Market agreement. Not sure what legal gray area there is about explicit federal law. If you'd like to ignore that, be my guest, but the law is the law.

Where is that language in the ACCMA?

The only reference to MB, SK, AB, NT, or the Midwest is the clause: "Atlasian citizens living in Manitoba, Saskatchewan, Alberta, and the Northwest Territories shall be considered as citizens of the Midwest Region for limited jurisdictional and regional/federal electoral purposes."

The provinces (i.e. the pieces of land) aren't recognized as part of the Midwest; the Atlasian citizens living on those pieces of land are.  There is no gray area.  This isn't really a debatable issue.  Those provinces are not "part of" the Midwest.  Canadian citizens living in those provinces are not "part of" the Midwest.  The land on which these people live is not "part of" the Midwest.

[Queen Mum Inks.LWC]

I would suggest something as simple as this:

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[Queen Mum Inks.LWC]

The bigger question to be asked is why would you want to refer to provinces that aren't yours as other names?  You don't have a special name for Michigan, so why make a special name for Saskatchewan?

[Queen Mum Inks.LWC]

The bigger question to be asked is why would you want to refer to provinces that aren't yours as other names?  You don't have a special name for Michigan, so why make a special name for Saskatchewan?

It's a Midwest thing you know

I understand renaming the states that the Midwest owns is a Midwest thing, but why rename Canadian provinces that you don't own when you don't do that for other states or countries?  I still think most people are missing the point of what the ACCMA does.

It seems counterproductive to the purpose of the ACCMA to say to Canada, "We don't like your names, so we'll create our own."  It's fine to do that with your own states, because they are your own states, but now you're proposing to refer to another country's provinces by another name.  That doesn't make sense.

[Queen Mum Inks.LWC]

The bigger question to be asked is why would you want to refer to provinces that aren't yours as other names?  You don't have a special name for Michigan, so why make a special name for Saskatchewan?

It's a Midwest thing you know

I understand renaming the states that the Midwest owns is a Midwest thing, but why rename Canadian provinces that you don't own when you don't do that for other states or countries?  I still think most people are missing the point of what the ACCMA does.

It seems counterproductive to the purpose of the ACCMA to say to Canada, "We don't like your names, so we'll create our own."  It's fine to do that with your own states, because they are your own states, but now you're proposing to refer to another country's provinces by another name.  That doesn't make sense.

Simply because every Midwest state has been renamed! So it's normal to rename Canadia's regions too!

So why not rename all of them?

[Queen Mum Inks.LWC]

I understand that.  But why aren't you renaming all of Canada's provinces?

[Queen Mum Inks.LWC]

I understand that.  But why aren't you renaming all of Canada's provinces?

Because they aren't "territories under limited jurisdictional authority [aka the Midwest]." This map is right off the Wiki page and while the Midwest page itself does not include the 3 Canadian provinces of Alberta, Saskatchewan, and Manitoba, our government still has some authority over them and one of those includes to rename them. We're not asking to rename provinces that are in other regions like British Columbia or Quebec because the Pacific and Northeast could do those, respectively if they choose as can other regions who have provinces under their jurisdiction.

Where did you get the idea that you have ANY authority over those provinces?  Where do you get the idea that that authority gives you the authority to rename them?  These provinces are not at all under your jurisdiction in any form whatsoever.

[Queen Mum Inks.LWC]

windjammer, you are completely missing the point.  I understand why the Midwest wants to rename states that are part of the Midwest region, but why would you want to rename areas that don't even belong to the Midwest, but rather, belong to another country?

[Queen Mum Inks.LWC]

windjammer, you are completely missing the point.  I understand why the Midwest wants to rename states that are part of the Midwest region, but why would you want to rename areas that don't even belong to the Midwest, but rather, belong to another country?

It's not officially renaming these regions. "Shall be known". I don't think it's forbidden seriously!

Yeah, it's not forbidden, but I don't think most people understand what the ACCMA actually does.  You've got people talking about "authority over" the provinces, and stuff like that.

[Queen Mum Inks.LWC]

windjammer, you are completely missing the point.  I understand why the Midwest wants to rename states that are part of the Midwest region, but why would you want to rename areas that don't even belong to the Midwest, but rather, belong to another country?

It's not officially renaming these regions. "Shall be known". I don't think it's forbidden seriously!

Yeah, it's not forbidden, but I don't think most people understand what the ACCMA actually does.  You've got people talking about "authority over" the provinces, and stuff like that.

Seriously you're right! I hope your amendment will pass! The Canada reform seems to have been massively misunderstood!

I mean, I think the whole bill should just be scrapped, but that's jut my opinion.  It's pretty clear Adam doesn't understand what the law does.

[Queen Mum Inks.LWC]

Adam?
Seriously, I still believe it would better to pass this bill. There are some people in these regions, and I wouldn't want to have to invalidate their vote! Protection is better than a cure!

Adam FitzGerald.

Why would you have to invalidate the votes of anybody if this bill didn't pass?

[Queen Mum Inks.LWC]

Adam?
Seriously, I still believe it would better to pass this bill. There are some people in these regions, and I wouldn't want to have to invalidate their vote! Protection is better than a cure!

Adam FitzGerald.

Why would you have to invalidate the votes of anybody if this bill didn't pass?

Because some voters would be from these states! If the Midwest doesn't recognize them, what should I do? Do you understand my concern?

1. It doesn't matter if the Midwest doesn't recognize them; federal law requires it.
2. Even if this bill is passed (with my amendment), it wouldn't explicitly recognize voters from those provinces; it would just require that on government documents, you use the new names.

Not only is your concern invalid, but your "solution" doesn't actually fix the non-existent problem that you are worried about.