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Tender Branson
Mark Warner 08
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E: -6.06, S: -4.84

« on: June 26, 2015, 12:50:19 AM »

Excellent. Go Bernie !

Kind of depressing that 1/3 of New Hampshire Democrats are willing to throw away their chance at the presidency just so they can have an ideologically pure candidate.

I'd rather lose the GE with Bernie Sanders, a candidate who stands for something - rather than losing with the bloodless, deceiving liar and corporate enabler Hillary Clinton.
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Tender Branson
Mark Warner 08
Atlas Institution
*****
Posts: 58,197
Austria


Political Matrix
E: -6.06, S: -4.84

« Reply #1 on: June 26, 2015, 01:09:50 AM »

2nd choice of Biden-voters (who gets 8% overall):

37% Clinton
21% Sanders
  8% Chafee
34% Undecided

There were 29 Biden voters who offered a 2nd choice.

Which means, if we exclude Biden from the poll and reallocate his supporters, the poll looks like this:

46% Clinton (+3)
37% Sanders (+2)
  2% O'Malley (nc)
  1% Webb (nc)
  1% Chafee (+1)
  2% Others
11% Undecided (+2)

http://cola.unh.edu/sites/cola.unh.edu/files/research_publications/primary2016_demprimary062515.pdf
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Tender Branson
Mark Warner 08
Atlas Institution
*****
Posts: 58,197
Austria


Political Matrix
E: -6.06, S: -4.84

« Reply #2 on: June 26, 2015, 07:27:02 AM »

It's much harder for Sanders to win the primary than the general. If he's a talented enough campaigner to snag the nomination away from Hillary, to say he can't beat the Republican nominee is delusional.
Fair enough.  That being said, I don't intend to make things easier for him.  He's going to need to prove himself before I can even think about supporting him.
I'd rather lose the GE with Bernie Sanders, a candidate who stands for something - rather than losing with the bloodless, deceiving liar and corporate enabler Hillary Clinton.
Sounds an awful lot like cutting off your nose to spite your face.  You go do that, meanwhile I'll actually try to win elections. 

Winning elections alone does not matter though, if you give up all your principles. It seems you have no self-confidence if you believe that Sanders cannot win an election. People said the same about Obama and then he defeated her and won the GE twice. Please, just give a damn about what the GE polls say right now, because if Sanders can run a campaign like Obama's - then even a Social Democrat like him can be elected POTUS. The thing with Hillary is that she's terribly flawed and is likely to collapse towards the end of the GE campaign and lose in a landslide. With Sanders, you have the opportunity to re-create the Democratic waves of 2008 and 2012 and win the election. Hillary on the other hand is so terrible that she'll cause a record low turnout and hand the election to Bush or any other Republican, because progressive Democrats and especially Independents stay home in disgust ...
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Tender Branson
Mark Warner 08
Atlas Institution
*****
Posts: 58,197
Austria


Political Matrix
E: -6.06, S: -4.84

« Reply #3 on: June 26, 2015, 07:44:08 AM »

We'll see. To me, Hillary Clinton is just an unlikeable relic of the past and more and more people in the US are dumping her in favour of something fresh, even if it's an excentric 100-year old Socialist from Vermont. People are sick and tired of her and the dynasties in US politics and it's not like she can easily walk to her nomination.
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