Bernie Sanders 2020 campaign megathread v2 (pg 77 - declares victory in Iowa)

[Cassandra]

Bernie's odds look grim, he has a relatively high floor but low ceiling, and most winnable voters have gone to other candidates. His numbers may gradually decline over the coming months.

His only hope at this point is if Warren collapses but at this point, that is unlikely. He may be better off dropping out. He's run a bad campaign filled with some of the most toxic people around. He should go back to what he's good at and being a Senator.

He's more likely to be buoyed by Biden collapsing. Warren's base of support comes from a completely different social class than we Bernie voters do, and clearly want nothing to do with us.

[Cassandra]

Love it when supporters of other candidates jump into this megathred to attack my candidate and defame my boys. Great look y'all.

[Cassandra]

But it was Hillary and her voters who acted entitled.
Amirite?

https://twitter.com/meaganmday/status/1177250292745662466

Wow. By her logic, it’s “his turn”. Which was the fundamental idea that Bernie got into the 2016 race to dispute. 

That’s an almost comical lack of self awareness

Could also be irony. Just a thought.

[Cassandra]

-snip- Speaking of wrong and stupid BS,

The establishment's official propaganda arm is back on their bullmess, apparently saying that people who support Bernie over Warren must be sexist.

I don't think I need to explain the problem with this. Just another example of vile anti-Bernie bias from MSNBC.

It would be so easy for us to accuse anyone smearing Sanders of antisemitism. I'm glad we're better than that. It's a shame that so many supporters of other candidates are this craven.

[Cassandra]

It looks like Sanders is finished. Time to switch my vote to Warren.

lol

[Cassandra]

Do you people really not have anything better to do? This thread ought to be reserved for news and such relating to the Sanders campaign.

[Cassandra]

Love to see the liberals running scared; whenever Sanders does well they always pile into this thread. Tremendous!

[Cassandra]

I think he’d be more effective at wielding institutional levers of power within the executive branch such as agency rule-making authority, executive orders, etc and would pursue a far better foreign policy for starters.

Now we are finally getting down to a somewhat plausible argument. Maybe Biden would be more effective with knowing how to run the executive branch, because he has experience working in the Executive Branch. That is an argument for an "insider" in general, as opposed to an "outsider."

I think though this mostly ends up depending on the people who work in the administration around the President. Perhaps the people who work with Sanders wouldn't know how to draft an executive order correctly, which could slow things down for example. Although typically, after a brief time of getting used to things, new Presidents and administrations learn how to do these things better, which I suspect would be the case with Sanders.

As for foreign policy though, Biden's record is voting for the Iraq war and counseling Obama to not to do the raid that killed Osama Bin Laden. If you think that that suggests his foreign policy would be better than Bernie's, then that is your prerogative, although I would disagree. IMO because one of the major areas where Presidents actually do have power is foreign policy, that is why having someone who has showed good judgment in the past is particularly important, as I think is definitely more the case with Bernie than with Biden. This is similar to the difference between Clinton and Obama on foreign policy on 2008 - although Clinton was more experienced in foreign policy, she had worse judgment. Experience making the wrong decision is not particularly what I would call a positive for a candidate.

Bernie and Biden are both awful on foreign policy, but at least Biden understands America’s basic foreign policy interests.  It’s basically impossible to be a non-interventionist and have a good foreign policy agenda imo, although many will disagree.  I don’t like the neo-conservatives either, to be clear.  I believe America has to be the world’s policeman because if we’re not then China, Russia, and other enemies, bad actors, and the like will fill the void.  It’s that simple.

Twisted!

[Cassandra]

Somehow the Sanders Campaign got my number and I never gave it to them. I'm afraid to tell them to stop texting me though.

Well they have to stop texting you if you tell them to do so, so I don’t see what the problem is

The problem is that he wouldn't be able to complain about it on US Election Atlas dot org and cite it as evidence that Sanders is terrible as is everyone who supports him.

Unlike you, I don't take this message board seriously enough to be that methodical. Seriously, I don't want to tell them to stop because I don't know if the person behind the messages is one of the more unhinged people who will go off and start sending insults or threats. Anyone can sign up to do texts, so you don't really know who is texting you.

Get a life outside of Bernie Sanders. There are politicians I support, but I don't shape my entire life and existence around. I don't sit around thinking about ways to set you people off. For heaven's sake.

Shaking and pissing myself at the thought of Bernie Bros texting me.

[Cassandra]

Somehow the Sanders Campaign got my number and I never gave it to them. I'm afraid to tell them to stop texting me though.

Well they have to stop texting you if you tell them to do so, so I don’t see what the problem is

The problem is that he wouldn't be able to complain about it on US Election Atlas dot org and cite it as evidence that Sanders is terrible as is everyone who supports him.

Unlike you, I don't take this message board seriously enough to be that methodical. Seriously, I don't want to tell them to stop because I don't know if the person behind the messages is one of the more unhinged people who will go off and start sending insults or threats. Anyone can sign up to do texts, so you don't really know who is texting you.

Get a life outside of Bernie Sanders. There are politicians I support, but I don't shape my entire life and existence around. I don't sit around thinking about ways to set you people off. For heaven's sake.

If you look at my 5-year posting history, you'll be surprised to find that I in fact do have a life outside of Bernie Sanders. I've only spent more time defending him recently since many have been freaking out about him gaining in the polls after writing his obituary over the summer (I'll admit I didn't think he had much of a chance then, either.) The fact that you'd immediately assume the worst about a Sanders supporter that you don't know says a lot, especially since they don't have more than your number.

And for what it's worth, the people sending texts don't have access to your number (or VAN at all, for that matter). They're using a system called Spoke which shields all personal info other than your first name.

[Cassandra]

How predictable. Warren's attempt to paint Sanders as a sexist blew up in her face, so now the Democrats are trying to smear him as a racist. Hmm, I wonder if this one will work...

[Cassandra]

It's too early to start acting like Bernie is the favorite. It's not difficult to imagine him winning all four early states and still losing the nomination. Consider this:

IA: Bernie won, but reporting issues and media spin have buried this
NH: If Bernie only wins by a couple points (very possible), the story will be Buttigieg's surge. If Warren also beats her (low) expectations, that could hamstring Bernie
NV: Expect more reporting errors and media spin to make the caucus result seem inconclusive to the general public
SC: Bernie might win with a narrow plurality over Biden, Steyer, Buttigieg, and whoever else is still in, but will that really make him an overwhelming favorite going into Super Tuesday?

Then from Super Tuesday and beyond, he will have to go toe to toe with the Bloomberg machine. I do think Bernie will most likely win the most votes and amass the most delegates, but getting to 50%+1 before the convention will be a major challenge.