question for the libertarians (re:medicaid)

[opebo]

Walter I don't know what your situation is or how you got into it. What I do know is that you want government to give you healthcare insurance. But government must take the money from someone else to pay for that insurance. Maybe the money government is taking from them is money they need to make the house payment, or buy food or send their kids to college, or to fund a saving account for their retirement. Maybe they need that money just as bad as you do. The difference is they earned it. You didn't.

ill agree that someone who has worked hard and accumulated wealth deserves the finer things in life a hell of lot more than a loser like me.

What nonsense you both accept.  Your owners do not 'work hard' - they are in a position of political power.  The State has allocated them 'ownership', in other words control of you, workers.  Any reallocation of a small portion of this privilege in order to provide health care for commoners is not an initiation of State interference but merely a reduction in its one-sidedness!

Mitty,  you are not a 'loser', you are a worker.  All workers are by definition losing, but there is absolutely no personal responsibility for it.  Please try to understand the situation and back unions and the left.  You too David S.

[opebo]

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What nonsense you both accept.  Your owners do not 'work hard' - they are in a position of political power.

Opebo, there is a fundamental axiom of economics that apparently eludes your grasp: People get rich by making something people want and are willing to pay for.

No, Yak, those things are made by their workers.  They reap the benefits because of political power ('ownership of capital').

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The state has done nothing of the sort. Is it really that unbelieveable that the brightest 10% of people create 95% of the wealth? I don't think so.[/quote]

That is absurd, Yak.  'Brightness' has absolutely nothing to do with being of the owning class.  If more wealth comes into the possession of the owner through application of some cleverness, you can be assured it is not his own, but some worker he is utilizing (engineers, scientists, etc).

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Absurd.  The young brownnoser might like to believe this, but every worker does better with a union, for the simple reason that he will get old, sick, and incapacitated too.. and anyway ability and so forth is not rewarded much or consistently, and like all crumbs thrown workers, is insignificant in comparison to the privileges of the owner.

[opebo]

The result would be  a lot of people who don't work and are supported by the tax dollars of those who still get up every day and go to work. Its rather unfair to the ones who still put in their sweat equity, don't you think?

Good heavens, isn't it obvious David S? There is already a class of people who don't work and are supported by those who get up every day and go to work - the owners.