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opebo
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« on: March 04, 2006, 07:32:07 PM »

The case for Pinochet is an extremely good one, if you are a right-winger.  If you want a fairly laissez-faire economic system, you will need a very powerful and oppressive State to keep the lower classes subjugated in their position at the bottom of the heirarchy.
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« Reply #1 on: March 04, 2006, 07:40:23 PM »

a laissez-faire economic system implies a lack of state control.

That is completely absurd Straha.  The State always creates the economic system.  In the case of laissez-faire it simply uses force to create property 'rights' for certain privileged classes in society, and thereby enslaves the remainder of the population.

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« Reply #2 on: March 04, 2006, 11:02:46 PM »

You're confusing laissez fair economics(if you don't believe me http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laissez_faire for information ) with something more like fascism or feudalism.

No, simpleton.  I have explained to you several times that the power of the State is what creates 'laissez-faire' capitalism, by establishing property rights for a small elite, and then enforcing these property rights and the inevitable servitude of those excluded from property to those privileged with it.  You think without the State and its guns looming over them all those workers would let the 1% own everything and toil happily for them?  No, they would not.

Straha, opebo does not believe in the idea of a lack of government control. It's sort of like his 'religion'; both the 'god' of a welfare state and the fascist 'devil'; neither allow for a limited government. To him, it's either socialism or fascism, no other choice. He's almost like a cardboard cutout villain from an Ayn Rand novel.

No, Daniel X, I did not refer to either socialism or fascism, I was referring to capitalism.  All economic systems are predicated on the exersize of power by the State.  It is incredibly naive of you not to recognize a heiarchy supported by force in 'laissez faire', a system in which a tiny elite 'own' most of the 'property', and everyone else works for them under threat of imprisonment if they do anything that interferes with this system (i.e. 'theft').

If you remove government power there is still not a free market....power has simply been moved to the control of the corporate leaders.

Actually the situation under capitalism is that government power (ultimately coercion is the only real 'power') serves the 'corporate leaders', or as I prefer to call them the owning class. 

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I'm sure 'progress' means different things to different people, but in any case the situation you describe above is the status quo in most of the world.

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You are generally correct here, although I believe that the economic system grows out of the State - politics are where things are decided, and economics is just the execution.
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