Twisted sick nazi cow!

[opebo]

I'm more or less in agreement with Brambilla on this - there's nothing wrong with trying to get information out of these terrorists.  The colonialists knew that a different standard of prisoner treatment applied when fighting a civilized enemy and an uncivilized one.  For example when Germans fought Englishmen, they knew that both sides would treat prisoners similarly, and reasonably well.  When Englishmen fought Dervishes, Thuggee, etc., they could only expect savage treatment, so it was appropriate to treat the savages the same way.

'Rules of war' are rather absurd, but if reciprocal they make sense.  With these people there are no rules.

My only concern is the psychological warping this type of duty may have caused in these brave American soldiers - and then to be prosecuted for it.  Shameful!

[opebo]

Bomb what?

Iraqis.

[opebo]

Bomb what?

Iraqis.

Though I disagree with Brabilla, we shouldn't leave.  I'm all for bombing, etc, but Iraq makes a magnificent base controlling the Middle East - we should keep it!

[opebo]

Actually, a much quicker way would be concentrating on the children, since even the most primitive cultures are often soft when it comes to children. Level a few nurseries and they'll realize who they messed with.  

You're not far off - though I don't think they're soft on children - particularly female children as remarked above, who have little or no value.   They do respect one thing and one thing however - overwhelming force.  And we happen to have that.. alas we apparentely lack the will to use it.  

And btw, everyone always talks about leveling towns after giving 'civilians' 24 or 48 hours to leave. What nonsense - level it at first convenience.. there's no such thing as a civilian, and even if there were, the enemy wouldn't allow them to leave anyway.

This is in fact world war three, so we might as well face it and fight it, and stop worrying about a few hijinks in some backwater prison.

[opebo]

I AM a civillian... I will NOT join any military forces, period!

If you're a citizen of a country at war, you can expect to be attacked, whether you're in or out of uniform.

[opebo]

You guys are all SICK, you know that?
Damnit, every kind of animal is better than THAT!

Hm, maybe I should point out that I am being sarcastic...this is my way of channelling my disgust for that line of thinking.

The others are probably serious though, at least Opebo.

I can understand you squeemishness, Gustaf, but my point is someone has to do these hard things on our behalf, or we will be over run.  Another way to look at it is our peaceful, Liberal societies are protected by the same thing that has always pertained in the State of Nature - brutal violence.    

[opebo]

You guys are all SICK, you know that?
Damnit, every kind of animal is better than THAT!

Hm, maybe I should point out that I am being sarcastic...this is my way of channelling my disgust for that line of thinking.

The others are probably serious though, at least Opebo.

I can understand you squeemishness, Gustaf, but my point is someone has to do these hard things on our behalf, or we will be over run.  Another way to look at it is our peaceful, Liberal societies are protected by the same thing that has always pertained in the State of Nature - brutal violence.    

I am glad to hear that you understand my 'squeamishness', or as we like to say compassion and respect for human life.

It's simply a matter of differing moral principles.

Gentlemen, there's no need for hysteria, bitterness, or depression.

We don't need napalm or nukes, as this will lead to defeat - not military defeat but the loss of support of the 80% of Iraqis who really DO want us to mop the floor with apostate terrorists like al-Sadr.

America has a great fighting force that has learned a lot from Vietnam - we have basically defeated al-Sadr in Karbala - his militia has packed up and left town after having their all their hideouts destroyed by our tanks.

All we need to do is press on. The Iraqis WILL eventually find freedom compelling, you have to cut them a little slack after being terrorized for the last 25 years. But abandon them? - that we can't afford - if we leave before that country is stable, we've given up a major front in the war against terror. There were casualties and traitors and atrocities during the liberation of Europe 60 years ago as well, but turning around wasn't an option. It's no more of an option now.

Hysteria? Bitterness? Depression? I hope I didn't give that impression...

Yeah, I'm experiencing none of those emotions.. though perhaps I'm a trifle bloodthirsty.