Hypothetical. If men could have babies would abortion be legal?

[opebo]

#1 Abortion is legal
#2 Actually, I think it would be more heavily restricted than it is today

I hate this argument that abortion is just a way of men controlling women (wtf?).

What do you think it is for, Prude Kramer?  Obviously the control of women and access to their sexuality is one of the primary sources of male power in our society.

what is wrong with you?

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My sentiments exactly.

Men of course control everything, so men fixed things so they can't get pregnant.  Because we control everything, we face no problems or challenges in life.  Everything is perfect for us.

No, fool.  The point is that cures which solve the ailments of the powerful will not be outlawed by those self-same powerful.  Women however are not powerful, and so their freedoms are contingent.

[opebo]

No, fool.  The point is that cures which solve the ailments of the powerful will not be outlawed by those self-same powerful.  Women however are not powerful, and so their freedoms are contingent.

I guess the discrimination against powerless women that exists in the medical field explains why they live 8 years longer, on average, than men.  I'd hate to say how they'd have to be treated to have an equal, or shorter, lifespan.

They live longer for biological reasons, dazzleman, not political ones.  I'm sure many slaves on the plantations outlived their masters - after all hard physical toil is healthier than luxuriant overindulgence and gout.

[opebo]

I'd rather not get into women's rights and the differences between the genders. Abortion is legal right now with women having babies. I can't see how men having babies would make it any different.... the percentage of men who would change from pro-choice to pro-life, I suppose, would be close to the percentage of women who would change from pro-life to pro-choice. I say little deviation in legal status.

The point was that men have greater political power than women.

Arguably the only reason abortion was ever freed from State interference was because of the political ascendancy of women from slave status to something a bit less oppressed.