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« on: November 05, 2022, 03:32:51 PM »

     The thing I would note in regards to point 3 is that this factor has an n>3. The trend whereby polls overstate liberal/left-wing performance is traditionally called the "Shy Tory Effect", getting its name from when it was first seen in Britain in the 1990s. It also happened recently in Brazil, with polls greatly underestimating the strength of Bolsonaro and his allies.

     Granted, nobody knows what exactly causes the Shy Tory Effect, and so a reversal is in principle possible based on obscure factors. But I think the body of evidence supporting a polling error that benefits the GOP is stronger than you realize. There's definitely also been neutral elections, but I don't know that it is historically supportable to say that a polling error benefiting Democrats is as likely as one benefiting Republicans.

The one thing here is that (unlike in 2020) everyone already seems to be pricing in that sort of polling error. To use one example, if Oz loses (which I don't expect), the surprise will not be that "there was a polling error that benefitted the Democrats", the surprise will be "there was no polling error". The "general expectation" already is a polling error leading to an Oz win by a couple points; Oz outperforming expectations would be a case where the GOP-favored error not only existed but was fairly large.

It may still be the less likely option but Democrats matching/beating expectations becomes a much more viable possibility when that can be done even without beating (and perhaps even while underperforming) public polling.
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« Reply #1 on: November 05, 2022, 08:47:13 PM »

Is it possible the GOP firms are pushing the averages so they can claim fraud with something like 'even the fake D polls had us up!' or something?

It's certainly possible, but trustworthy polls like Selzer are showing a significant shift right over the past month as well.

Maybe, but Reynolds's margin remained unchanged. I am more interested to see the GCB than anything; that should tell us if it was just closet Grassley supporters coming home or a larger rightward shift.

I see a tagline when I search Iowa GCB R's lead in three of.." but when I click I get paywalled by the DMR site.



Implication here would be that Selzer is showing Axne ahead?
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