L.C. 10.19 - Third Lincoln Constitution

[Sestak]

General Court is good.

Also bimonthly elections are fine. Nothing wrong with that. The 3-leg 4-gov system would become very annoying very quickly under presidentialism. Was bad enough before.

[Sestak]

General Court is good.

Also bimonthly elections are fine. Nothing wrong with that. The 3-leg 4-gov system would become very annoying very quickly under presidentialism. Was bad enough before.

What would the term for General Court member be?

[Sestak]

General Court is good.

Also bimonthly elections are fine. Nothing wrong with that. The 3-leg 4-gov system would become very annoying very quickly under presidentialism. Was bad enough before.

What would the term for General Court member be?

I meant title of the office. 

Oh lol.

Variety of options, I guess. Could still go with "Deputies" or any other generic term like that.

Alternatively could try something like making the full title "Member of the General Court" but just referring to them individually as "Hon. [Member Name]" or "the Honorable Member" individually.

Just as long as it's not "Councilor". Or "Assembly(wo)man"/"Assemblymember" which I've always found rather clunky.

[Sestak]

Bro the region is literally holding Senate elections every two months as well. This only adds onto that ballot. There will be fewer elections under this constitution because no off-month generals. Not more.

[Sestak]

Also f**k off with the seven member bulls**t please. It helps nothing and has literally never been successful.

[Sestak]

The reasons for the 9=7 clause have been spelled out upthread. I'm not willing to discuss that further, and would not support a constitution without that clause.

The region has previously voted on this issue as well, and voted to keep the 9=7 clause.

Do what you want then. Lincoln's commitment to remaining as dysfunctional as it possibly can is always rather amusing to see.

Also lmao @ suburban trying to poison pill this whole effort. Hilarious.

[Sestak]

Just apply the Senate vacancy mechanism to General Court and Gubernatorial vacancies. Then get rid of the early court elections thing added to Article IV. The other amendments proposed are ok.

The one thing I wanted added to the vacancy bit, actually, was that in order to reduce unnecessary elections, any specials which would otherwise be exactly the week before any general election should instead be delayed until that election (or cancelled, if the election is for a new term). Not sure if this should be added to the gubernatorial, Senate, and GC vacancy provisions each or if it's better to just add one all-encompassing prediction to do this.

[Sestak]

Just apply the Senate vacancy mechanism to General Court and Gubernatorial vacancies. Then get rid of the early court elections thing added to Article IV. The other amendments proposed are ok.

The one thing I wanted added to the vacancy bit, actually, was that in order to reduce unnecessary elections, any specials which would otherwise be exactly the week before any general election should instead be delayed until that election (or cancelled, if the election is for a new term). Not sure if this should be added to the gubernatorial, Senate, and GC vacancy provisions each or if it's better to just add one all-encompassing prediction to do this.

Reiterating this. If you want me to draft writing for this I can.

[Sestak]

I think the easiest way to deal with IV.1 would be to explicitly state that residency requirements should be for residency within the region. I firmly believe that it is much less messy to allow regions themselves to combat strategic registration than it is for the federal government, since the latter has only limited constitutional powers with regards to this and thus become something akin to using an unwieldy bludgeon.

If the council wants, it could also perhaps explicitly state that the General Court can only restrict 'term of residency for voters moving from other regions'; that's also fine by me.

[Sestak]

Vote No, leave this to the legislature and legislatures of the future

A poison pill is still a poison pill even S019 isn’t doing it

This is the exact same language that Fremont has and we're the only region who never has any problems or arguments over voter eligibility! (Though we have far better wording)

Section 1. The right to vote in all elections and referendums called according to the provisions of this Constitution shall be exclusive to those persons being eligible to vote in elections for President of the Republic of Atlasia who have been registered to vote in one of the states or external territories of this Region, as defined by law, for a period of at least 72 hours prior to the commencement of the election.

Well the language isn’t the same then

But Frémont as usual knows what’s up

(accidentally deleted my post when trying to quote you). The greatest region strikes again! We don't tolerate confusing bullsh**t like LC 10.4. AGA's amendment removes the 72 hour requirement, accidentally making strategic registration easier. You lot just need to strike the last line, removing the power of the Court to make voting eligibility that unnecessarily conflicts with federal requirements.

I don't get the use of a 72 hour requirement if the federal one is a week.

I personally think that regional requirements are more useful than federal requirements anyway. For instance, the federal anti strategic registration bill, if passed, would make it harder to do an emergency move for officeholdingn (equiv of Truman moving to Fremont).

My preferred policy would be that each region only allow voters who have not been registered in any other region in the previous 6-8 weeks. Thus pre-planned moves can only work if made at the very start of a cycle; any other moves have to skip a regional election, tethering players more to their region. However, if a region was in an emergency, someone from another region would still be able to move to hold office; they would just be unable to vote.

[Sestak]

Wulfric, you're missing the point. I don't just want the election cancelled if it would be held within a week of the next regular for that office - for Senate and Governor if a special is otherwise scheduled to be a week before the other regular election (say a gov or Senate Class II special that would otherwise be one week ahead of the presidential) should instead be consolidated with it.

[Sestak]

That looks good to me. Maybe "168 or fewer hours before" instead of "within 168 hours before" to avoid ambiguity at 168 exactly.

[Sestak]

Congratulations Lincoln!