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HillGoose
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« on: April 24, 2018, 12:36:31 PM »

Sorry luddites, free market technological development made coal obsolete and made those great "factory jobs" robotic, so it's communist and anti-American to use the government to keep them in existence.

I don't know why so many Americans want the government to punish those who find good ways to make money. Wanting to make as much money for yourself as you can should be everyone's goal. So if you make money by inventing a robot that does a job in a factory, or inventing a better way to create power and destroying coal's ability to survive in the free market, or buying a company and shutting down all the factories and selling the assets, that should be admired.

Maybe if you lost your factory job you should find something better to do with your life. I don't understand why people think they should be able to make a good living without using their damn brain.
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HillGoose
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« Reply #1 on: April 25, 2018, 08:51:10 PM »

Coal and factory jobs haven't always been pleasant (nor are they necessarily so today). But, those became gateways to a respectable, middle-class life for Americans regardless of their socioeconomic background. While those jobs have largely disappeared (primary thanks to automation), the memory working class Americans have associated with those jobs and the American culture that arose during their peak (40s-60s) is one not so easily abandoned. Entire cultures developed around those industries in the communities in which they were dominant. Workers knew that a coal or factory job meant a decent wage, health insurance, pension, and other benefits that are not so easily obtained through other careers - even ones that require a college degree. The relatively high standard of living these folks enjoyed is simply unattainable in today's economy outside of certain highly skilled fields or rare exceptions (such as natural gas booms).

It's not simply an attachment to a particular type of work, but to the benefits and security associated with that work. If these people were given opportunities in their communities aside from low wage, no benefit jobs (like service jobs), then they'd take them. Instead, that's all they have and it simply isn't sustainable for families or for local/regional economies. Return the dignity of a hard days work equals good pay and benefits, and these people will do those jobs and let go of coal and factory jobs. College isn't even necessarily the answer either; trade school provides great opportunities, as do community colleges. But, that requires investment and the promise of local opportunity afterward, where they won't be forced to relocate hundreds of miles away from their home just to have career options.

This.

The United Mine Workers endorsed George McGovern in 1972.  They didn't endorse Hillary Clinton in 2016.  Imagine that.

Unions are tools of the communists.

In 1996, my father joined a union because he thought it might help him out in his workplace, since we live in TN it wasn't required but he said he made the mistake of joining anyway. He says the union was the biggest group of assholes he'd ever met and made working very difficult because they impeded the flow of business. He quit the union after like a week.

My father's experience with that union is one of the major reasons he's so anti-labor and has been a Republican for years.

Unions just harm business and workers.
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