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« on: July 20, 2004, 11:40:54 AM »

Look.  it is perfectly plausable that Burger could "inadvertantly" put documents down his pants and in his socks.  It happens to me all the time.
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« Reply #1 on: July 20, 2004, 12:06:11 PM »

I believe you are on to something there.  I mean, why else would he stuff sensitive documents down his pants?  We need to give this guy a pass.
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« Reply #2 on: July 20, 2004, 12:20:08 PM »

How the hell does Gergen know?  Is he part of the Justice Dept investigation?  

This smells to high heaven and there is no spinning that fact.

I guess you didn't understand that I was kidding about givin Berger a pass.
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« Reply #3 on: July 21, 2004, 10:14:47 AM »

Oh pleeeeeze.  He was allowed access to them IN THE SECURE ROOM.  He was NOT allowed to walk out with them.  Concealing them?  Doing it on MULTIPLE occasions?  Classified documents still unaccounted for and presumably never to be returned?

Come on.
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« Reply #4 on: July 21, 2004, 04:41:39 PM »

AP trying to elect Bush?  Since when did AP align itself with the GOP?  They're as slanted left as they come.
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« Reply #5 on: July 22, 2004, 02:30:20 PM »

Well Mark, I wish I had your story.  If I remember right, your sources in DC definitely nailed the Edwards pick.

Can you at least give us a hint?
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« Reply #6 on: July 22, 2004, 10:14:49 PM »

that doesn't sound pretty
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« Reply #7 on: July 22, 2004, 10:27:22 PM »

Mark,
The problem with our being "above it" is that Dem tactics have been killing us.  We can be above it and lose or get down in the gutter and possibly survive.  Lousy choice but that is kind of the reality I'm afraid.

How do we know that if we hold back Kerry and Co. won't drop their dirt on us in late October?  Remember the Bush DWI five days before the election?
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« Reply #8 on: July 22, 2004, 10:46:39 PM »

No, it doesn't sound insane at all.  Let me guess - the Clinton crowd at work.  Berger goes in to the National Archives to, shall we say, clean up or do away with a certain set of Richard Clark memos critical of the way the Clinton administration was handling the terrorism issue......namely the post attempted millenium unsuccessful bombing which they had hailed as proof of the Clinton administration's vigilance against the terror threat.  Only, this is proof that Clark was actually critical of that policy..

Hmmm.  President Kerry.  The sound of that makes me want to drop everything we have on them... This is war.
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« Reply #9 on: July 22, 2004, 11:02:17 PM »

Holy crap.  The Clinton crowd...not a surprise at all.

Wonder if this mutual blackmail thing is also the reason the 9-11 came out so strangely benign toward each side?



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« Reply #10 on: July 22, 2004, 11:08:38 PM »

This suits Clinton fine in two respects.  He doesn't get whacked by the commission and in turn Bush doesn't get whacked either.

The latter is good because if Bush doesn't get hurt, Kerry doesn't get an advantage in the election and maybe Bush wins.  That's good for Hillary in 2008.

Am I overdoing it?
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« Reply #11 on: July 22, 2004, 11:20:42 PM »

And you don't think the donkeys would drop their stuff like the Monday night before the election knowing the Bushies wouldn't have time to unload before election day  That's what is scaring the hell out of me.  What's to keep Dems from pulling that off?  The'd have their power and there would be NOTHING our side could do about it.
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« Reply #12 on: July 22, 2004, 11:35:06 PM »

Part of the Clinton crowd I'm sure - as to which one, I'd guess maybe Bruce Lindsey.

Sounds like Kerry has two problems in this campaign - Bush and getting knifed in the back by Willie.

Ok, another question.  If your Dem connection knows this stuff about Bush it's bound to get out to the media.  You KNOW if the NY Times gets it they will be a really loose cannon and will no doubt run with it to sink Bush.    That's what their paper has been completely about for the last three yrs.  Clinton cannot control the Kennedy wing partisans can he?  Won't they spread it.  They don't care about Bill more than they want power.

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« Reply #13 on: July 22, 2004, 11:41:08 PM »

Ashcroft protects Berger?  Part of the Bush- Clinton alliance of convenience?
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« Reply #14 on: July 22, 2004, 11:45:44 PM »

OK, just so I'm clear.  This dirt is known by BOTH sides and there is some sort of Mutual Assured Destruction informal agreement between RNC and DNC?
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« Reply #15 on: July 22, 2004, 11:48:32 PM »

DNC = Clinton's people.
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« Reply #16 on: July 22, 2004, 11:51:40 PM »

By the time this race starts down the last leg, someone is going to let it all out.  They are too partisan not to.  It only takes one person you know.  If one side spills it, the other will let it out immediately.
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« Reply #17 on: July 22, 2004, 11:53:16 PM »

Damn Mark, this stuff is really that bad?
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« Reply #18 on: July 23, 2004, 12:01:08 AM »

Ah, but if Berger took the notes and destoyed them, with no copies, no one can prove it.
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« Reply #19 on: July 23, 2004, 12:06:32 AM »

Yipes.
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« Reply #20 on: July 23, 2004, 07:22:03 AM »

Walked out with copies from a "reference library" huh.

I got a newsflash for you.  It wasn't just a "reference library".  Please get serious.
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« Reply #21 on: July 23, 2004, 11:42:09 AM »

The truce is not holding - the dirt on Berger is getting out.  Shoot me an email when you get a chance.  All hell is fixing to break loose.
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« Reply #22 on: July 23, 2004, 12:56:14 PM »

Yeah, I figured the partisan pull of both sides would come to the front.  No way you keep everyone quiet in an election year - especially THIS election year.  Some of the details have hit Drudge and Rush devoted part of his monologue to those details.  Genie is out of the bottle and now neither side can afford to hold back.

I would suspect our side would want to pull most of our punches until right after the Dem Convention in order to get the max effect.  

Kerry should have kept a cooler head.  Sounds like he was in a panic.

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« Reply #23 on: July 23, 2004, 01:22:31 PM »

Tip of the iceberg?  Are you kidding?  If it's that bad I say use it - in October if it looks like we need it to win.

You know what the irony is of all this stuff?  It's that
ichael Moore's BS is taken seriously while the real meat has never seen the light of day.  Nice to know we have something in the closet though.

Ever caught Albright's spin on the political talk shows about how we've been diverted from going after "the real enemy" due to the war in Iraq.  What a bunch of phony crap considering how she and Berger didn't want to do squat when they had the chance.  Burn em baby!

And I agree about Rove.  He blew a 4 or 5 pt lead during the last days of the 2000 campaign by sitting on the ball.  Political genius my ass.
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« Reply #24 on: July 23, 2004, 01:55:29 PM »

Worse than the prospect of President Kerry?  That guy in charge of American security for the next 4 to 8 years - the Albrights, Bergers, Richard whatshisname, with the reigns of national security?  

That would have to be really bad and if it is you are scaring me.  You know the problem with Republicans?  They think you can win a fight playing by gentleman's rules.  The other side bring brass knucks and swithblades.  It drives me crazy!  I know you agree with me.
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