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« on: January 16, 2018, 12:26:38 AM »

No...

This quote should tell you all you need to know:

"I am for free commerce with all nations, political connection with none, and little or no diplomatic establishment. And I am not for linking ourselves by new treaties with the quarrels of Europe, entering that field of slaughter to preserve their balance, or joining in the confederacy of Kings to war against the principles of liberty." --Thomas Jefferson

Jefferson would not support our involvement in various global alliances and would definitely be against America engaging in regime change/nation-building. However, he wasn't a complete isolationist and was/would be today a large proponent of increasing free trade with other nations. Obviously your post wasn't serious, but why not respond with evidence anyway Smiley

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TPIG
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« Reply #1 on: January 22, 2018, 04:06:00 PM »

No...

This quote should tell you all you need to know:

"I am for free commerce with all nations, political connection with none, and little or no diplomatic establishment. And I am not for linking ourselves by new treaties with the quarrels of Europe, entering that field of slaughter to preserve their balance, or joining in the confederacy of Kings to war against the principles of liberty." --Thomas Jefferson

Jefferson would not support our involvement in various global alliances and would definitely be against America engaging in regime change/nation-building. However, he wasn't a complete isolationist and was/would be today a large proponent of increasing free trade with other nations. Obviously your post wasn't serious, but why not respond with evidence anyway Smiley

I would be careful with this assumption.  Jefferson and his allies (and immediate political descendants) argued for free trade - more accurately, against protectionism - because they believed that a protective tariff was a tool in place solely (or at least mostly) to benefit the American business community/the wealthy, and they were incredibly skeptical that the economic benefit would ever, dare I say, "trickle down" to more working class Americans.  While he did indeed support free trade, his rhetoric and motives sound a lot more similar to someone who would likely support protectionism today.  The same policy can benefit TOTALLY different groups and be pursued for near opposite ideological reasons depending on the time/economic environment.

I agree with your assessment of Jefferson's views, but will say that I don't think it's much different than the rhetoric used my many today in arguing against protectionism. Economic conservatives/libertarians believe in pro-free market policies, not pro-business policies. Government should not take a proactive role in protecting business, giving them special favors/protections. etc. Government simply should get out of the way and let businesses succeed or FAIL on their own.
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