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« on: February 08, 2018, 06:51:32 PM »

Yes, and the maniacs who promote this way of thinking are trying to manipulate people for their own profit, and not because they actually believe it.
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America Needs a 13-6 Progressive SCOTUS
Solid4096
Junior Chimp
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« Reply #1 on: February 17, 2018, 09:16:28 AM »

Yes, and the maniacs who promote this way of thinking are trying to manipulate people for their own profit, and not because they actually believe it.

As I asked HillGoose already, how do you know this?  

Usually when you make incredible claims like this concerning vast swaths of people, it's best to make at least some effort to justify your statements.

Because why the hell do Christians think that a Christian adult could rape a child and when the child grows up, develops mental illness as a result of the adult's behavior, and stop believing in God, if they commit suicide they'll go to hell FOREVER but the Christian will go to heaven FOREVER just for believing?

I've posed this scenario to Christians before, and yes this is what many of them said they believe would happen, while some say "Only God knows" but it's pretty clear what they think.

I don't believe that's justice and if God is actually like that, humanity's spiritual goal should be to overthrow God, not try to enter his Celestial North Korea.

The second part of my response was more to Solid who claimed that all Protestants don't actually believe what we profess, which is a ridiculous statement on its face.  To claim that a very heterogeneous group of nearly 1 billion people are all insincere is just crazy.

As far as what you are saying, all I can say is that according to the Bible, we all deserve God's judgment.  Again, grace means unmerited favor - the tough part is that this means that God can and does save people who have committed very vile crimes like murder and child molestation, and there are people who haven't physically committed these crimes and yet stand condemned. 

Part of the answer stems in the holiness of God.  Again, Jesus equates looking at a woman with lust as adultery and hatred with murder.  God's ways are so much higher than our ways, and so many things which seem unfair to us are perfectly fair to God both because he has more knowledge/information than we do and also because he has higher standards for justice than we could possibly fathom.

The difficult question is why God chooses to save some and not others.  Obviously, different denominations will have different explanations regarding the role of God's sovereignty and human free will, but as a Calvinist I do very much believe in election and predestination (as well as a sort of free will, a full reconciliation which I believe is impossible in our finite state/mind), so it does demand an answer. The Bible's response can be seen in verses like Psalm 115:3, Romans 9:22 (make his glory known and show his power), and others.  This is an exceedingly tough topic, but the bottom line is that we are so much more sinful than we can ever imagine, and God as creator has full rights over us and can do with us as he pleases.   

It's your choice how to respond to God's revelation.  What I will say is that the book of Revelation makes it clear that God has power over the devil and his adversaries, so any attempt to fight him will be unsuccessful.  The Bible does say that the judge of all the Earth will do what is right (Genesis 18:25).  However, you have to take it by faith, as Luther put it:  "This is the highest degree of faith , to believe him merciful when he saves so few and damns so many, and to believe him righteous when by his own will he makes us necessarily damnable, so that he seems, according to Erasmus [E., p. 41], to delight in the torments of the wretched and to be worthy of hatred rather than love."

Oh. I am not talking about the massive numbers of fools who were duped by the church in that post. I am talking about the people who run the church.
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