2020 Census and Redistricting Thread: Wisconsin

[Starry Eyed Jagaloon]

I definitely think Janesville and Beloit should be paired with Dane. It's a clearly built-up corridor and they don't belong with the Driftless area or Waukesha and Racine.

[Starry Eyed Jagaloon]

Can anybody tell me how to imbed the picture of my map on here from DRA instead of the link?

You have to screenshot it, upload it to a image hosting platform, and use the [img] function on here.

[Starry Eyed Jagaloon]

Anyway, here's my fair map:

[Starry Eyed Jagaloon]

Anyway, here's my fair map:

Why dont u split cinci like u split Milwaukee?
Come on that's a d gerrymander.

You split Milwaukee County three ways. You either split the city once or the county twice. I chose the former. Mostly though, I just wanted to not pair the Rock River Valley with Racine and Kenosha. Besides, the 2nd district is only Clinton+4.

[Starry Eyed Jagaloon]

Anyway, here's my fair map:

Why dont u split cinci like u split Milwaukee?
Come on that's a d gerrymander.

You split Milwaukee County three ways. You either split the city once or the county twice. I chose the former. Mostly though, I just wanted to not pair the Rock River Valley with Racine and Kenosha. Besides, the 2nd district is only Clinton+4.

I can easily show a map which only splits it twice and keeps the city whole.

Be my guest, but I bet it either does weird things with Waukesha or Kenosha/Racine. Also, there's a case for splitting Milwaukee from a minority opportunity perspective to make the North Milwaukee/Ozaukee Dem primary as heavily AA as posible.

[Starry Eyed Jagaloon]

Anyway, here's my fair map:

Why dont u split cinci like u split Milwaukee?
Come on that's a d gerrymander.

You split Milwaukee County three ways. You either split the city once or the county twice. I chose the former. Mostly though, I just wanted to not pair the Rock River Valley with Racine and Kenosha. Besides, the 2nd district is only Clinton+4.

I can easily show a map which only splits it twice and keeps the city whole.

Be my guest, but I bet it either does weird things with Waukesha or Kenosha/Racine. Also, there's a case for splitting Milwaukee from a minority opportunity perspective to make the North Milwaukee/Ozaukee Dem primary as heavily AA as posible.

But why have an extra split in both Waukesha AND Washington counties though? The 4th only needs to take from just one. You don't just split 2 counties extra, you split two townships.

I was trying to carve around the Menomonee Falls built-up area because that seemed like the least obnoxious WOW cut I could come up with. I'm not too committed to it and am open to suggestions.

[Starry Eyed Jagaloon]

Takes a small 20k slice of SE waukesha. Much better. Its super easy to keep the city of Milwaukee whole and there isn't a major reason to oppose it except for a D gerrymander. If you want you can take 20k from Rock county instead.

There isn't even a VRA case considering the current Milwaukee district already performs fine.

That's reasonable enough in theory, assuming you think municipal lines are actually relevant. If you actually look at a map of that messy-bordered Milwaukee/West Allis area, you'll see that it's basically continuously built up and the city line doesn't actually correspond to anything.

[Starry Eyed Jagaloon]

I get your point but I want to make it clear that my proposal was genuinely done in good faith, and it doesn't actually produce better numbers for Dems than a lot of other maps on here. When it comes to Wisconsin, there are four things I try and ensure and then the rest is subjective:

1. Kenosha and Racine belong together, and should be paired with South Milwaukee suburbs.
2. Dane, Green, and Rock make a perfect district and should remain intact except for minor population adjustments.
3. The Fox River Valley should be kept together as best as possible.
4. The Driftless area between Eau Claire, La Crosse, Wisconsin Dells, and the WI-IL-IA tripoint should be kept intact and separate from Madison.

[Starry Eyed Jagaloon]

You've made your damn point. The fact remains that there's no on-the-ground difference between some neighborhoods Milwaukee and its adjacent suburbs, particularly when municipal lines wind all over the place. West Allis and Wauwatosa are obviously more "core Milwaukee" than parts of the city south of Layton Avenue, for example.

[Starry Eyed Jagaloon]

There is on the ground difference, those suburban voters wanted to live in the suburban towns instead of Milwauke be it for some reason or another. Perhaps they wanted to live in affordable large houses, perhaps a district that was more school oriented etc. The point is that you will always splitting a metro into a way thats favorable towards Democrats but you won't do the other ways I showed that are effectively GOP gerrymanders.

No, I don't. And if you bothered to look at demographic indicators or an actual satellite map, you'd see that in the case of these specific neighborhoods, the municipal line is arbitrary and irrelevant. I highly doubt people were thinking too strongly about which specific city council was in charge of their property when moving to the area. It's pretty clear that the urban core of Milwaukee should be seen as the area bounded by the 894 freeway, not defined by random and incoherent municipal annexations.

Anyway, I drew a second map that should make you happier and guess what, the partisanship is the exact same.