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Holy Unifying Centrist
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« on: May 17, 2018, 11:23:28 AM »

This is close to the result that I expect. Granted, it's gravis, but I don't think this poll is inaccurate.

It'd be a shame for Donnelly to go, though. We have way too much polarization in Congress, and Donnelly is one of the few people who works with the other side. Braun looks like he will just be a reliable Republican vote, which we already have far too much of in Congress.
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Holy Unifying Centrist
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Junior Chimp
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« Reply #1 on: May 17, 2018, 05:30:39 PM »
« Edited: May 17, 2018, 05:35:48 PM by Cadillac Conservative »

This is close to the result that I expect. Granted, it's gravis, but I don't think this poll is inaccurate.

It'd be a shame for Donnelly to go, though. We have way too much polarization in Congress, and Donnelly is one of the few people who works with the other side. Braun looks like he will just be a reliable Republican vote, which we already have far too much of in Congress.

You must be kidding.  You say you do not like polarization, but you support most of the Democrats.  If anything will create massive polarization, it would be a Democrat Senate driven by a Trump hating Democrat base squared off against Trump.

Please point out substantive examples of Donnelly working with Republicans.


Joe Donnelly has voted for most of Trump's appointees, and has voted for a ton of bills that mostly Republicans voted yes on. I don't have many examples off the top of my head, but he did support Trump's immigration plan, the 20 week abortion ban, & the banking bill. So he is clearly a bipartisan senator.

You can see his voting record here: https://voteview.com/person/20717/joe-donnelly

He is also ranked 4th most bipartisan according to Richard Lugar Center (meaning he seeks out a lot of GOP co-sponsors on his bills) http://www.thelugarcenter.org/ourwork-Bipartisan-Index.html

Also I mostly support democrats (right now) because I don't like when one party has control of everything, Trump is potentially dangerous when not left in check, Republicans are becoming extremists on immigration, and the tax bill & health care bill were incredibly poorly done - many Republicans did not like these bills (as shown by Conor Lamb & Tipinerni getting a significant amount of Republican defections). I will probably not be so enthusiastic about voting dem if they keep moving to the left.

Also, the 2018 Republican Senate candidates are quite poor too... Bob Hugin seems fairly good and I like John James, but they are otherwise crummy, grandstanding, far right hacks. Braun doesn't seem so bad, but Donnelly is a fine person and doesn't deserve to lose re-election.

I am a swing voter; you are such a big GOP hack that you would have voted Roy Moore instead of Doug Jones. You are a small, polarized minority. Not even far right Alabama voted for Roy Moore, so you are a special sort of polarized loony. I know your type very well - both of my parents are just like you. I love my parents but they are a special type of insane when it comes to politics.

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Holy Unifying Centrist
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Junior Chimp
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Posts: 5,230


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E: 9.53, S: 10.54

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« Reply #2 on: May 17, 2018, 05:56:28 PM »

This is close to the result that I expect. Granted, it's gravis, but I don't think this poll is inaccurate.

It'd be a shame for Donnelly to go, though. We have way too much polarization in Congress, and Donnelly is one of the few people who works with the other side. Braun looks like he will just be a reliable Republican vote, which we already have far too much of in Congress.

You must be kidding.  You say you do not like polarization, but you support most of the Democrats.  If anything will create massive polarization, it would be a Democrat Senate driven by a Trump hating Democrat base squared off against Trump.

Please point out substantive examples of Donnelly working with Republicans.


Joe Donnelly has voted for most of Trump's appointees, and has voted for a ton of bills that mostly Republicans voted yes on. I don't have many examples off the top of my head, but he did support Trump's immigration plan, the 20 week abortion ban, & the banking bill. So he is clearly a bipartisan senator.

You can see his voting record here: https://voteview.com/person/20717/joe-donnelly

He is also ranked 4th most bipartisan according to Richard Lugar Center (meaning he seeks out a lot of GOP co-sponsors on his bills) http://www.thelugarcenter.org/ourwork-Bipartisan-Index.html

Also I mostly support democrats (right now) because I don't like when one party has control of everything, Trump is potentially dangerous when not left in check, Republicans are becoming extremists on immigration, and the tax bill & health care bill were incredibly poorly done - many Republicans did not like these bills (as shown by Conor Lamb & Tipinerni getting a significant amount of Republican defections). I will probably not be so enthusiastic about voting dem if they keep moving to the left.

Also, the 2018 Republican Senate candidates are quite poor too... Bob Hugin seems fairly good and I like John James, but they are otherwise crummy, grandstanding, far right hacks. Braun doesn't seem so bad, but Donnelly is a fine person and doesn't deserve to lose re-election.

I am a swing voter; you are such a big GOP hack that you would have voted Roy Moore instead of Doug Jones. You are a small, polarized minority. Not even far right Alabama voted for Roy Moore, so you are a special sort of polarized loony. I know your type very well - both of my parents are just like you. I love my parents but they are a special type of insane when it comes to politics.



But Donnelly voted against tax cuts in 2017, supported Dodd-Frank and voted to raise the deficit 7 times at least. So I guess this record will demonstrate he’s too liberal for Indiana.


The tax cuts was a poorly done bill in an ultra partisan process to use as a wedge issue against red state democrats. If the GOP cared about working people, they would have made the corporate tax rate 25%, not cut the top tax rate, and used those billions of dollars to expand the Earned Income Tax Credit, which would have massively help low-income family.

I was very excited for tax reform and it ended up being a pretty poorly done bill. It's polling terribly for a tax cut. Tax cuts should have widespread approval because everyone likes their taxes going down.
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