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maga2020
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« on: July 30, 2017, 11:17:27 AM »

Yes, WOW delivers its usual margins for traditional republicans for Trump in 2020 (they will), the state will become basically unwinnable for democrats (even with Obama-lite black turnout from Milwaukee).

Trump increased Romney's margins on WI-07 massively and carried WI-03, win WI-03 by single digits while barely losing WI-07 was enough for democrats to win, losing WI-03 and getting blown out in WI-07 will turn Wisconsin unwinnable for them, since WOW + Green Bay erase the margins from Milwaukee and Madison and with the dumpster fire that Milwaukee is thanks to liberal mismanagement (even David Clarke can't stop the socialists, only chase criminals), WOW is not going to trend D soon.
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maga2020
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« Reply #1 on: July 31, 2017, 10:38:09 AM »

The reason Virginia went the way it did is that the fast growing areas were also trending Dem.   The two factors combined to simply overwhelm the Republicans.

In Wisconsin you see Trump doing well mostly in the slow growing areas or areas that are losing population.   The second fastest growing county, Dane, swung to Hillary, as did the WoW counties.   

Even if Wisconsin votes Republican in 2020...it won't have the same momentum that Virginia had in the past decade.

I mean, this is the same kind of analysis you used to "prove" that Trump had no shot at winning PA or that the state wasn't really trending Republican.

If the Republicans want to appeal to every shrinking demographic in the country let them have at it.   It's basic math, the clock will run out at some point or another.
The clock is not going to run out if they made these demographics vote like a bloc.

They don't even need whites to do that, only WWCs, that would basically make them electorally invincible.
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maga2020
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« Reply #2 on: July 31, 2017, 11:23:15 AM »

The reason Virginia went the way it did is that the fast growing areas were also trending Dem.   The two factors combined to simply overwhelm the Republicans.

In Wisconsin you see Trump doing well mostly in the slow growing areas or areas that are losing population.   The second fastest growing county, Dane, swung to Hillary, as did the WoW counties.   

Even if Wisconsin votes Republican in 2020...it won't have the same momentum that Virginia had in the past decade.

I mean, this is the same kind of analysis you used to "prove" that Trump had no shot at winning PA or that the state wasn't really trending Republican.

If the Republicans want to appeal to every shrinking demographic in the country let them have at it.   It's basic math, the clock will run out at some point or another.
The clock is not going to run out if they made these demographics vote like a bloc.

They don't even need whites to do that, only WWCs, that would basically make them electorally invincible.

No, it really doesn't.   It was just barely enough in 2016 and that didn't even win them the Popular vote.   There might be a few others to grab here and there, but they're pretty darn close to maxed out, and they are shrinking, not growing.   A lot of the low turnout groups are Democratic groups, hence their problem in midterms.
You're only maxed out when you get 100% of a group, the democrats and blacks are much closer to it than the GOP and WWCs, GOP only wins 2/3 of them now, make inroads in the midwest and it could get close to 3/4.

And the popular vote is irrelevant, California is a huge democratic vote sink, the dems can be happy at getting 3/4 of California and win the PV, the GOP will be getting 3/4 of WWCs and winning the EC. Not to mention the turnout gap being so yuge the democrats would lose even at midterms under a GOP president (just like they are going to badly underperform in 2018 in places where white liberals are exotic animals).
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