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Dr. Cynic
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« on: October 07, 2014, 02:42:51 PM »

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« Reply #1 on: October 07, 2014, 03:09:29 PM »

My feeling is, he didn't just advocate for it, he attempted it. I'm not saying Deus has been a bad Senator (We disagree on just about everything, but he is still an able member). I'm not even saying he should be banned from running again. My opinion is, and I feel this very strongly, that anyone who attempts an illegal secession, especially continuing in it after the blanket pardon was granted by the President, should be punished in some manner.

If I had attempted such a thing, I'd expect to be punished and so should anyone else. These types of things have consequences, or at least should in the game. I'm not saying it should even be a long term expulsion, but it should be done to let people know that actions in this game have consequences. For far too long we've just gone along to get along. No one, no matter how talented they may be, should be immune from that.
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« Reply #2 on: October 07, 2014, 07:00:55 PM »

What are you talking about? "Long term expulsion"? What we are discussing here is expelling Deus from the Senate, period. This isn't something that we can apply a certain amount of time for, as far as I understand the expulsion process. He can't just be expelled for a month and then take up his position again. That's not how expulsion works. If we vote to expel him, he is removed from the Senate, that's how this thing goes.

The fact that Deus is an At-Large Senator also kind of makes expulsion a waste of time, because if he is expelled, the Democratic-Republican Party could reappoint him immediately thanks to the Proportional Representation Act. If you want to waste the time of the Senate to vote on an expulsion that will likely be undone in the span of five minutes, be my guest. But understand that this action is an undemocratic attack upon the right of a Senator to speak his mind on an issue that he feels passionate about. Speech advocating for the secession of a Region should not be the grounds for the expulsion of an Atlasian Senator anymore than calling for the overthrow of the government should.

By long term expulsion, what my argument is, is essentially that even if we expel him, I'm not saying that he should be prevented from holding office again.

If it is the Senate's decision that he should remain, that's fine with me, but I won't be voting for it. Actions of these kinds have to have consequences. Senator Deus, in my view, did aid the NE secessionist movement, despite being a sitting member of the Atlasian government. If that is not the majority opinion, then there's nothing I can do. But it is right in my view to have this discussion and it is right in my view that there should be consequences for any sitting member of government that aids a movement designed to harm the Republic that he is sworn to protect.
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« Reply #3 on: October 09, 2014, 12:08:10 AM »

I can appreciate and respect the views of those who don't believe Senator Deus should be expelled. One would think too that those individuals would understand how deeply I hold my belief that he did violate the constitution, which he is sworn to uphold by engaging in and abetting the secession movement in my own home region.

This is not a personal attack on Deus, it's not a political calculation (indeed, what do I gain by this? I'm leaving at the end of the term). I want to make that as clear as possible. It is unlikely given the debate that we've heard that Deus will be expelled. I'm afraid I must stick to my gut on this issue.
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« Reply #4 on: October 11, 2014, 05:35:17 PM »

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