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MarkWarner08
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« on: January 28, 2008, 09:18:52 PM »

"...Clinton's double-digit lead in California polls over Sen. Barack Obama is misleading. Subtract a Latino voting bloc whose dependability to show up Election Day always has been shaky, and Clinton is no better than even in the state, with Obama gaining. To encourage this brown firewall, the Clinton campaign may be drifting into encouragement of brown vs. black racial conflict by condoning Latino racial hostility to the first African-American with a chance to become president.

Experienced California Democratic politicians doubt the validity of Clinton's double-digit polling lead in the state. At the heart of Obama's support are upper-income Democrats (in exceptional supply here) and young voters whose intentions are difficult to predict. Will the state's huge, currently passive college campuses erupt in an outpouring of Obama voters?

The demographics are most important. Clinton has dramatically lost support among blacks, trailing Obama 58 percent to 24 percent. It is a virtual dead heat among white non-Hispanics, 32 percent to 30 percent. Therefore, the 12-point overall lead derives from a 59 percent to 19 percent Clinton edge among Latinos.

In California, the Latino vote is notoriously undependable in actually voting, especially when compared with African-Americans. How the Clinton campaign deals with Hispanic voters is a sensitive matter, but sensitivity never has been a hallmark of the Clinton style.

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Asked whether Latinos will refuse to vote for him, Obama got a laugh when he replied: "Not in Illinois. They all voted for me."

Read it all here: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/01/hillarys_latino_firewall.html

If Obama wins in CA, he becomes the new frontrunner. A tie is, in the long run, a loss. He must defeat Hillary in the most populous and diverse state in the union. If NV voter patterns continue (Blacks turnout disproportionately high; Hispanic turnout disproportionately low), Obama may spring a monumental upset in California, a state that is politically golden.
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MarkWarner08
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« Reply #1 on: January 28, 2008, 09:23:35 PM »

There aren't very many blacks in CA anymore...  Sad
Excellent point. Those missing 200,000 blacks could cost Obama the primary.
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MarkWarner08
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« Reply #2 on: January 28, 2008, 09:25:40 PM »

what's the best Obama can realistically do in CA?  within 5-10%?

Obama needs to win.  Don't think it's impossible, but it's going to be difficult.

isn't it P15?  if he loses by five I don't think it's a disaster...  the rest of the month is slightly favorable to him IMO if he can stay viable...
He needs an outright victory to become the clear frontrunner. If he wins 47%, he'll pick up delegates, and that might be a sign that he has enough support nationwide to eventually beat  Hillary.

For Obama to win the nomination, he must emerge from Feb. 5th with the most delegates and a very strong showing in CA.
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MarkWarner08
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« Reply #3 on: January 28, 2008, 09:28:44 PM »

what's the best Obama can realistically do in CA?  within 5-10%?

Obama needs to win.  Don't think it's impossible, but it's going to be difficult.

isn't it P15?  if he loses by five I don't think it's a disaster...  the rest of the month is slightly favorable to him IMO if he can stay viable...

where I suspect Clinton easily bests him in an actual count of delegates.


Huh? Ambinder and other pundits have predicted a close outcome in this category... Why are you assuming Obama will be crushed among delegates?
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MarkWarner08
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« Reply #4 on: January 28, 2008, 09:38:02 PM »

what's the best Obama can realistically do in CA?  within 5-10%?

Obama needs to win.  Don't think it's impossible, but it's going to be difficult.

isn't it P15?  if he loses by five I don't think it's a disaster...  the rest of the month is slightly favorable to him IMO if he can stay viable...

where I suspect Clinton easily bests him in an actual count of delegates.


Huh? Ambinder and other pundits have predicted a close outcome in this category... Why are you assuming Obama will be crushed among delegates?
The point that I think we would agree on is that Obama needs to, at minimum, be closer to Clinton after Super Tuesday, than before.  And he needs to win CA, IMHO.
If Obama  accomplishes the former, the race will remain frozen, with Hillary holding a slight, but steady lead. If he achieves the latter....
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MarkWarner08
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« Reply #5 on: January 28, 2008, 09:46:44 PM »

what's the best Obama can realistically do in CA?  within 5-10%?

Obama needs to win.  Don't think it's impossible, but it's going to be difficult.

isn't it P15?  if he loses by five I don't think it's a disaster...  the rest of the month is slightly favorable to him IMO if he can stay viable...

where I suspect Clinton easily bests him in an actual count of delegates.


Huh? Ambinder and other pundits have predicted a close outcome in this category... Why are you assuming Obama will be crushed among delegates?
The point that I think we would agree on is that Obama needs to, at minimum, be closer to Clinton after Super Tuesday, than before.  And he needs to win CA, IMHO.
If Obama  accomplishes the former, the race will remain frozen, with Hillary holding a slight, but steady lead. If he achieves the latter....

Slight and steady means she wins the nomination...  Just FYI.  Smiley
I completely agree. BTW, I think Hillary has a 78.97342% shot of victory right now...
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MarkWarner08
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« Reply #6 on: January 28, 2008, 09:52:54 PM »

Obama can perform well in Texas because Indys can vote there, but he must get them to show.  Otherwise, the Hispanics will do to him what they've been doing in CA.

OH and PA, I agree.
But will Hispanics show up?  Jay Cost: "The Nevada entrance poll found that African Americans and Hispanics each comprised 15% of the total electorate. But Nevada as a whole is 6.6% African American, and 19.7% Hispanic."

If that pattern repeats itself in TX, Obama has a strong shot. Would you agree that Obama will win in Austin and Houston?
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