SCOTUS overturns Roe megathread (pg 53 - confirmed)

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What a ing travesty this can happen in a developed country in the 21st century.

Guarantee many of the same pro-lifers are all about “my body my choice” with the vaccine and demand the gov to stay away from regulating their guns even if lives would be saved. What the hell is going on with the US?

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What a ing travesty this can happen in a developed country in the 21st century.

Guarantee many of the same pro-lifers are all about “my body my choice” with the vaccine and demand the gov to stay away from regulating their guns even if lives would be saved. What the hell is going on with the US?

tbf the whole "my body, my choice" when it came to COVID restrictions started as something to point out that most pro-choicers were completely fine with giving up bodily autonomy to save other humans when it came to that issue, but not when it comes to an issue that is literally designed to kill humans.

An abortion is strictly a matter for the person dealing with it. A vaccine is a rather minor inconvenience at worse for 99.99% of people that has a tremendous utilitarian purpose for society as a whole, and not doing so was to a detriment for 0 rational reasoning besides “well I don’t trust the experts”. I don’t see the comparison whatsoever. Just being selfish in the worst of ways in both cases.

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Our God IS an Awesome God!

This decision is only ging to drive younger people further and further away from religion. You do realise that?

Four people to date have recommended this, none of which have a history of caring what God might thing enough to change their mind on an issue.  I take these assessments with a grain of salt.  

I can assure you that God's reputation is in the toilet, especially among younger people in this country, and it's "Christians" who have put it there. Prominent Christians in this country made the decision a while back to whore themselves and their faith out for worldly influence, and because of that sin, Christianity in the US is now often seen as a brand or cultural identity rather than a genuine faith. And that's a reputation that all Christians, even the good ones, have to deal with now.

Christians have forgotten what they're here for, and that's to serve others and lead people to Christ. It's not to save the world themselves through political action. Look at Trump, one of the men most responsible for this repeal. He's a hell-bound man. Trump is 76 and will soon die, and the "Christians" who have been kissing his ass for the last few years have never once bothered to attempt to lead that man to Christ. Even worse, they're willing to publicly pretend that he's Christian because they need his influence and power. They're fine with him and his devotees burning in hell if it means they can get some more political power to push whatever their next issue is. It's goddamn disgusting. How can you possibly expect people who don't already agree with you to take anything you say related to God seriously?

I've heard this from you already.  We agree on some subjects, but not this one.

"The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction."
Proverbs 1:7, KJV.  The word "fool" has a powerful meaning in Scripture, implying someone who is both unreasonable and unteachable.  If people are beginning to think that maybe they're not on God's Side on this issue, that is all to the good.  I hope their discomfort grows to the point to where they cry out to God, who is lovingly waiting for them to come.

Yes loving things make you fear them. Good to know smh

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What a ing travesty this can happen in a developed country in the 21st century.

Guarantee many of the same pro-lifers are all about “my body my choice” with the vaccine and demand the gov to stay away from regulating their guns even if lives would be saved. What the hell is going on with the US?

tbf the whole "my body, my choice" when it came to COVID restrictions started as something to point out that most pro-choicers were completely fine with giving up bodily autonomy to save other humans when it came to that issue, but not when it comes to an issue that is literally designed to kill humans.

An abortion is strictly a matter for the person dealing with it. A vaccine is a rather minor inconvenience at worse for 99.99% of people that has a tremendous utilitarian purpose for society as a whole, and not doing so was to a detriment for 0 rational reasoning besides “well I don’t trust the experts”. I don’t see the comparison whatsoever. Just being selfish in the worst of ways in both cases.

One person that dealt with the issue of abortion was my grandchild who died in an abortion.  That child would be 20 years old now.  That child felt pain before they died; pain that you would Constitutionally object to if it were felt by a convicted murderer, and pain that you would have more pity for if it were suffered by an unborn animal.

What would you say to that unborn child as they felt the pain death by abortion brings?

I don't get maudlin about this subject, but I'm certainly thinking about it today.  My unborn grandchild is with Jesus for Eternity and has no memory of the pain.  That does not justify the actions of humans on this Earth.  

You and I have no idea as to whether that fetus felt pain, but the evidence is scant at best

https://www.livescience.com/54774-fetal-pain-anesthesia.html

The religious stuff aside, there is no utility to banning abortion (which will happen in certain states) besides appealing to an minority sect of the population. Last I remember, the US doesn’t have an official state religion, so why should the lord’s imposition be forced upon everyone?

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What a ing travesty this can happen in a developed country in the 21st century.

Guarantee many of the same pro-lifers are all about “my body my choice” with the vaccine and demand the gov to stay away from regulating their guns even if lives would be saved. What the hell is going on with the US?

tbf the whole "my body, my choice" when it came to COVID restrictions started as something to point out that most pro-choicers were completely fine with giving up bodily autonomy to save other humans when it came to that issue, but not when it comes to an issue that is literally designed to kill humans.

An abortion is strictly a matter for the person dealing with it. A vaccine is a rather minor inconvenience at worse for 99.99% of people that has a tremendous utilitarian purpose for society as a whole, and not doing so was to a detriment for 0 rational reasoning besides “well I don’t trust the experts”. I don’t see the comparison whatsoever. Just being selfish in the worst of ways in both cases.

One person that dealt with the issue of abortion was my grandchild who died in an abortion.  That child would be 20 years old now.  That child felt pain before they died; pain that you would Constitutionally object to if it were felt by a convicted murderer, and pain that you would have more pity for if it were suffered by an unborn animal.

What would you say to that unborn child as they felt the pain death by abortion brings?

I don't get maudlin about this subject, but I'm certainly thinking about it today.  My unborn grandchild is with Jesus for Eternity and has no memory of the pain.  That does not justify the actions of humans on this Earth.  

You and I have no idea as to whether that fetus felt pain, but the evidence is scant at best

https://www.livescience.com/54774-fetal-pain-anesthesia.html

The religious stuff aside, there is no utility to banning abortion (which will happen in certain states) besides appealing to an minority sect of the population. Last I remember, the US doesn’t have an official state religion, so why should the lord’s imposition be forced upon everyone?

Keep telling yourself that.  

https://lozierinstitute.org/new-study-shows-unborn-babies-feel-pain-at-12-weeks

Dr. David Prentice, Vice President and Research Director of the Charlotte Lozier Institute commented:

“Unborn babies feel pain. The science has clearly shown for years that unborn children can perceive pain in the womb, but this is a significant admission by doctors on both sides of the abortion debate, recognizing that even early in human development, the unborn can feel pain. And as the authors note, ‘the mere experience of pain…is morally significant.’ Science again points to the humanity of the unborn.”

https://jme.bmj.com/content/46/1/3

“ Fetal pain has long been a contentious issue, in large part because fetal pain is often cited as a reason to restrict access to termination of pregnancy or abortion. We have divergent views regarding the morality of abortion, but have come together to address the evidence for fetal pain.”

“ The precise nature of fetal pain experience remains unknown and will, perhaps, remain forever unknowable. None of us can return to a state of conscious “innocence” to report on existence before our self-reflective lives. ”

Article notes that later stage abortions should see anaesthetics applied and there is a possibly it could be as soon as 12 weeks to have pain, or not until 24 weeks, and that even then there’s contentiousness.

So no, not settled science, and not an issue that should have been reopened. “Party of personal liberty”, ridiculous.

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Ah, looks like my state of South Carolina just introduced a bill banning all abortions except for the life of the mother. If you're raped you still have to have the child.

The bill also makes it a felony to assist a woman or help a woman travel to another state for an abortion. I'm not sure how that is constitutional or how the state plans to stop a woman from getting into a car and driving to North Carolina or wherever else abortion is accessible.

bUT thEy cAn jUsT mOvE

I’m surprised you still have a republican  avatar tbh.

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https://twitter.com/MarlenaStell/status/1542527729827995649?t=UdKZWPz9735InuWmH6...

HISTORIC VICTORY FOR WHITE LIFE!!!!

The irony that more brown and black people proportionally will be born as a result of this ruling.

Even from a demographic self-interest perspective it  makes no sense the GOP has embarked on this crusade given that it hastens their decline into irrelevancy. Then again it’s not like most of them give a crap once these babies are out of the womb.