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Kyle Rittenhouse is a Political Prisoner
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« on: June 27, 2017, 09:56:34 AM »

Arkansas, Alabama, and West Virginia and D.C.
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« Reply #1 on: August 03, 2017, 10:18:29 PM »

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« Reply #2 on: August 05, 2017, 02:25:04 PM »

LA and MS before WY, or ND, or OK?

OR?  Before NY, or WA, or VT, or MD?

And MN is a swing state, LOL.

Very confused.
I believe that 2020 will be a realignment, and that the Democrats will realign in a more libertarian direction, adding the west to their column. The GOP will then move in a more Christian Populist direction, taking enough black and hispanic voters to make the deep south safe and turn northern urban states into swing states. OK goes democratic once during a landslide. NY and WA become swing states, as does WA.
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« Reply #3 on: August 05, 2017, 02:27:46 PM »

Modified version.
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« Reply #4 on: August 10, 2017, 09:37:42 AM »

LA and MS before WY, or ND, or OK?

OR?  Before NY, or WA, or VT, or MD?

And MN is a swing state, LOL.

Very confused.
I believe that 2020 will be a realignment, and that the Democrats will realign in a more libertarian direction, adding the west to their column. The GOP will then move in a more Christian Populist direction, taking enough black and hispanic voters to make the deep south safe and turn northern urban states into swing states. OK goes democratic once during a landslide. NY and WA become swing states, as does WA.

I think the GOP could certainly become more populist, and in fact, will become more populist, but Christian populist?

I don't see any evidence of this.  Religiosity is significantly declining among all millennials, irrespective of party.  The current youth movement in the GOP is not Jerry Falwell style evangelicalism, but is Alt-Right nationalism, and this movement is not very religious at all, in fact, most of its adherents are probably atheists or at least agnostic.

I also don't see the Dems becoming a libertarian party, but even if they did, why is OR their strongest state, as opposed to any other Western states?  And MA?  RI?  Those are not libertarian states, in fact, quite the opposite.
Religosity might be rising among younger generations, and that it's not a majority will be why the GOP is a minority coalition.

OR won't be the strongest Dem state, but I'm not sure that the realignment will come in 2020.

MA and RI are liberal, wealthy, and non-religious. They stay fairly Democratic throughout.
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« Reply #5 on: August 12, 2017, 04:28:49 PM »

LA and MS before WY, or ND, or OK?

OR?  Before NY, or WA, or VT, or MD?

And MN is a swing state, LOL.

Very confused.
I believe that 2020 will be a realignment, and that the Democrats will realign in a more libertarian direction, adding the west to their column. The GOP will then move in a more Christian Populist direction, taking enough black and hispanic voters to make the deep south safe and turn northern urban states into swing states. OK goes democratic once during a landslide. NY and WA become swing states, as does WA.

If Lincoln Chafee got the strength that Bernie had against clinton and bernie fell flat on his face with the youth, I'd agree. The entire 2016 election showed that fiscal conservatism is a horrifically bad fit with millennials, which showed in both lowered turnout and weakened support for the perceived as corporate Clinton. Age gaps on Single payer and a host of other issues show that the democrats have far bigger realignment potential from Left Wing Populism than from Libertarianism. Perhaps if Bernie didn't run and Lincoln Chafee or Jim Webb got a weaker version of the support Bernie got, libertarian democrats might have been a possibility. In our timeline, thanks to a combination of good timing and playing on institutional distrust, he has guaranteed that the realignment will come from the fiscal left.

To put it simply:

Dems are going to move to the left if anything
Gary Johnson managed high support among millenials too, and would have gotten far high had he been sober for more than a minute during his campaign.
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« Reply #6 on: August 12, 2017, 07:57:02 PM »

LA and MS before WY, or ND, or OK?

OR?  Before NY, or WA, or VT, or MD?

And MN is a swing state, LOL.

Very confused.
I believe that 2020 will be a realignment, and that the Democrats will realign in a more libertarian direction, adding the west to their column. The GOP will then move in a more Christian Populist direction, taking enough black and hispanic voters to make the deep south safe and turn northern urban states into swing states. OK goes democratic once during a landslide. NY and WA become swing states, as does WA.

If Lincoln Chafee got the strength that Bernie had against clinton and bernie fell flat on his face with the youth, I'd agree. The entire 2016 election showed that fiscal conservatism is a horrifically bad fit with millennials, which showed in both lowered turnout and weakened support for the perceived as corporate Clinton. Age gaps on Single payer and a host of other issues show that the democrats have far bigger realignment potential from Left Wing Populism than from Libertarianism. Perhaps if Bernie didn't run and Lincoln Chafee or Jim Webb got a weaker version of the support Bernie got, libertarian democrats might have been a possibility. In our timeline, thanks to a combination of good timing and playing on institutional distrust, he has guaranteed that the realignment will come from the fiscal left.

To put it simply:

Dems are going to move to the left if anything
Gary Johnson managed high support among millenials too, and would have gotten far high had he been sober for more than a minute during his campaign.

Two words:weed lmao.

Johnson got two demos: Weed-focused sections of Bernie Sanders group, and (mostly) suburban conservatives who hated Trump. They voted for social liberalism, on the one side, and fiscal conservatism on the other, but not both in the same demographic (Aside from Johnson 2012-2016 voters, who are the libertarian base and a small minority of Johnson 2016 voters).

Not to mention that the only reason he had an opening in the first place were Donald Trump's offensiveness and the fact that Hillary Clinton was thought by many parts of the electorate to be corrupt. The candidates' personal issues gave him a soapbox.

Every third major third party candidacy during the current alignment overperforming in the west probably is a good sign, too.
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« Reply #7 on: August 13, 2017, 06:49:16 PM »

LA and MS before WY, or ND, or OK?

OR?  Before NY, or WA, or VT, or MD?

And MN is a swing state, LOL.

Very confused.
I believe that 2020 will be a realignment, and that the Democrats will realign in a more libertarian direction, adding the west to their column. The GOP will then move in a more Christian Populist direction, taking enough black and hispanic voters to make the deep south safe and turn northern urban states into swing states. OK goes democratic once during a landslide. NY and WA become swing states, as does WA.

Democrats are moving to the left and I can't see black people voting Republican in large numbers anytime soon.
Democrat's best candidates are libertarian moderates, and they can win with that.
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