Biden VP news megathread (pg 286 - been selected, announcement could be today)

[Rookie Yinzer]

I been expecting Klobuchar. My problem with her is she is too safe of a pick. To be honest she does not the charisma needed to lead a ticket. This matters more because there is a chance Biden won't serve a full term. Harris would be a better pick as she has the charisma Klobuchar lacks. Whitmer might work. Her handling of the coronavirus could show readiness. She is still a couple years in her term. Duckworth not sure about.

I think Klobuchar is more charismatic than Harris, she at least has Midwestern authenticity and did better in her presidential campaign while Harris seems inauthentic.

What the heck is Midwestern authenticity? Seems like another way to say inoffensive white woman. Kamala has more electoral benefits than Klobuchar. I would want the woman Dolores Huerta endorsed because of her strong background standing up for farm workers, someone who can go to Florida and relate to first generation Caribbean communities, who can talk to the burgeoning AAPI electorates in TX and GA, and double down on suburban white women. Klobuchar ain’t got it. Picking HER would be Tim Kaine tier.

How is Kamala Harris supposed to inspire so many people as a vice-presidential candidate when she couldn't do that as a presidential candidate?

The same way Biden was supposed to help Obama with WWC even though he got 1% in Iowa. Performance in a primary has no bearing on what a person can bring to the ticket in the general election. Period. There are countless examples and I don’t know why it has to keep being said.

Her campaign had way more energy than Klobuchar's, even near the end. Even in Iowa, which she never really connected with, she still had a massive operation and passionate fanbase - just look at the Iowa convention they had late last year.

Kamala’s problem was skittish donors afraid a Black woman couldn’t pull it out and going to Pete and Biden. She never got the chance to stand on the ballot. The voters who would have made up her primary base do not donate like Bernie’s cosplay socialists. The criticism of her primary run as to why she can’t be VP is dumb and has no historical basis. Like just say you don’t like her and stop bringing up fake metrics that Biden, Pence, Cheney, Gore, and even Quayle couldn’t live up to.

[Rookie Yinzer]

Harris is establishment but not the woman who has been in the U.S. Senate 10 years longer than her?

K.

[Rookie Yinzer]

It's crazy that serving as Attorney General and Senator the biggest state of the nation somehow isn't exemplary anymore but rather just "establishment"

And let’s be clear that a woman especially a Black woman could never just swoop in and demand the party place them at the head of the table like Donald Trump and Bernie Sanders. Women have to build relationships, coalitions, and prove themselves to the party before asking for a promotion such as the presidential nomination or a VP slot. Harris has spent her entire first term raising money for other Democrats especially those in the Senate. That’s supposed to be a bad thing? But y’all want Democrats to magically do everything while they’re in the minority but crap on individuals trying to get resources to get us to a majority. It’s crazy.

[Rookie Yinzer]

Kamala is a cop but let’s put actual cop on Val Demings on the ticket.

Kamala is a neoliberal corporate stooge (who has never represented anyone but the people and won billions from big banks & mortgage companies) but let’s put corporate lawyer Terri Sewell on the ticket.

The Kamala hate is REAL.

[Rookie Yinzer]

"25 years in independent study of foreign policy" 

Lol. That’s what jumped out at me. That’s not a thing ma’am.

[Rookie Yinzer]

Thirsty as hell.

https://twitter.com/ChrisDJackson/status/1250597910460477440?s=20

[Rookie Yinzer]

By the numbers: Black voters in Michigan and Wisconsin picked Abrams as their favorite hypothetical running mate for Biden, at 36% and 38%, respectively.

Harris underperformed with black voters in Michigan (22%) relative to her overall support in these two states, and she did 10 percentage points better with black voters in Wisconsin.

Abrams’ performance without being a sitting senator or having just run for president, shows potential to build a broad coalition and turn out voters.

Wow! I can't believe nobody on Atlas ever vocalized this before!

Let's all jump on the Harris Train!

Hopefully this puts the "Harris will increase black turnout" argument to rest.

Abrams has not been vetted and has not had one single bad day in the national press outside of conservative media.

Harris remains the superior option to me.

[Rookie Yinzer]

I think the VP being “too old” is a weak attack. Does anyone really want Biden handpicking the next leader of the party? A Biden-Warren ticket could get us out of the mess of the last 4 years and set us on a path forward, then hand the baton off to whatever younger Democrat wins the *competitive and open* primaries next cycle.

Vice-President Harris/Klobuchar/Cortez-Masto immediately become the front runners for nominee in 2024. We were robbed a wide-open race this year by Biden and Bernie, they should let us have one next time so we can actually have an election that decides where we want to go as a party.

I disagree, Biden is a white man and people project what they want (positively) on him. He has working class credentials with low income, non college whites, inoffensive to white suburban women, and close ties to the Black community with his long relationships with CBC members and standing by President Obama.

Someone could easily get into the 2024 primary and run up the Black and youth vote vs Klobuchar, or run up the rural/WWC vote against Harris. Neither would be guaranteed the nomination IMO

[Rookie Yinzer]

Speaking about Harris's failure to attract black voters in the primary.

https://twitter.com/markos/status/1252278424682414089

This is accurate. She had the largest field operation in SC by far and was there the earliest and had the most events/rallies there. Outside of Biden she had the most Internet searches and activity by any of the other candidates by a mile. Folks just didn’t think a Black woman could beat Trump. She will have to prove her viability by being Biden’s VP before running for POTUS again.

I knocked doors for her in rural SC: Orangeburg, Marlboro County, Chesterfield County, Lancaster County, Chester County... low income Black voters from a variety of age groups. I heard the prosecutor stuff brought up twice out of hundreds of door attempts. If they did know who she was they were either positive or no opinion. Black voters do not hate Harris and her favorability is comparable with Abrams and Warren within the margin of error. I’m with Kamala for VP until/unless Biden makes a choice that’s not her.

[Rookie Yinzer]

https://twitter.com/tperry518/status/1252580201437028358?s=20

[Rookie Yinzer]

Abrams pitches herself again. She wants to make sure Joe knows she'd be a great running mate. In case the first 25 messages didn't make it through.

OK, look. Saying "Yes I would take it" or "I would be honored to serve" is fine. Women should be clear and full throated about their ambition but this is THIRSTY. Especially when she is absolutely NOT qualified.

[Rookie Yinzer]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/tperry518/status/1252580201437028358?s=20

Why are dems wasting their time on Harrison? Why doesn't she campaign for Ossof or Warnock instead?

He's been raising quite a bit of money by virtue of being Lindsey Graham's opponent, he's the former SCDP Chair and has had leadership roles in the DNC, he's within the margin of error in a state with a significant Black population, and has been loyal to the party... they're not going to ignore his race.

[Rookie Yinzer]

https://twitter.com/TheView/status/1252991481385754625?s=20

I agree with Stacey. Biden needs to put Harris or Duckworth on the ticket.

[Rookie Yinzer]

Meghan McCain wants Biden/Harris

https://twitter.com/DaryonnJackson/status/1253162545566883843?s=20

We have one "swing" white woman voter in Arizona (she'll swing back in 2024 ). I remember y'all saying Harris would be toxic among this demographic.

[Rookie Yinzer]

Did Kamala Harris ever answer for the Mnuchin business while she was in the primaries?

Um, there’s nothing to answer for:

The fact is that Mnuchin- the CEO of OneWest, didn’t have evidence against him for a criminal indictment. There were some *civil* claims potentially recommended against him in a grand total of only 8 cases. Only 8. So, not the “thousands” that these hack writers are trying to claim. Eight. And those eight cases were looked into by Harris’ team of prosecutors for months. Winning them (again, only in civil court, not criminal charges), rested on some untested legal theories and potential major jurisdictional issues. In the end, the AG office has limited resources and decided those resources were better spent on bigger cases affecting more people and criminal charges. In other words, it’s a blatant propaganda lie that she “didn’t indict Mnuchin”:

She also authored the ENTIRE ing CA Homeowner’s Bill of Rights, making the dual tracking practice illegal, which was how OneWest (SteveMnuchin) was cheating homeowners in the first place:

https://medium.com/@kimbocoffin/the-story-behind-the-story-of-kamala-harris-and-steve-mnuchin-f58f64a5ec7f

[Rookie Yinzer]

Pressure has been growing on Mr. Biden to choose a black woman to inspire black turnout this fall and not take it for granted. The Rev. Al Sharpton, for instance, who speaks to Mr. Biden regularly, is to announce his support for Ms. Abrams as vice president as soon as next week, according to those familiar with his plans.

Speaker Nancy Pelosi has encouraged allies to float names of House members like Representatives Val Demings of Florida and Marcia Fudge of Ohio, according to people familiar with those conversations, in part to reward members of her caucus with a higher profile.

Several leaders in the Congressional Black Caucus, an organization steeped in tradition, have preferred Ms. Harris, who is a member.

A recent comment from Mr. Clyburn publicly undercut Ms. Abrams in favor of Ms. Bottoms. Mr. Clyburn, who declined an interview request for this article, said Ms. Abrams lacked sufficient experience.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/24/us/politics/joe-biden-vice-president-black-candidates.html

[Rookie Yinzer]

https://twitter.com/ShaneGoldmacher/status/1253784627967336450?s=20

Stacey said f-ck what y’all have to say. She’s going to continue to lobby all she wants. Lol.

[Rookie Yinzer]

I hope she doesn't come back to GA with her tail between her legs trying to run for Gov again like a consolation prize. Keisha Lance Bottoms should give that race a go. The stage has been quietly set by the COVID crisis and I'm seeing gravitas from her that I've never noticed before.

[Rookie Yinzer]

Whitmer is a proven leader who could seamlessly step into the presidency if needed

“Whitmer brings her skills as a governor and public official who has unfailingly seen from the get-go what her state needs in this, its most critical hour, and with laser-like precision has gone after it. With her leadership skills, she has also shown herself prepared to do so for the nation as well.” — David A. Andelman, CNN


This is the winning message for 2020 Biden should double down on. It is isn't an identity type of election year.

So could a host of other women. But if it’s not a Midwestern white woman it’s an identity pick? Oh.

[Rookie Yinzer]

Don't know if others brought it up but Sinema to try and flip Arizona?

Some people are just meant to be in the Senate. Everyone doesn’t need to ascend to the Executive branch.

[Rookie Yinzer]

Stacey Abrams is thirsty as hell. Period.

[Rookie Yinzer]

Look, I like Abrams but she’s simply doing too much here.

If she doesn't get selected, Kemp's going to have a field day with this in 2022. Not good!

I don't want her to run for Governor again at this point!

[Rookie Yinzer]

I imagine this how the elder CBC members feel about Abrams. They want Harris. He endorsed her and she had more CBC endorsements than Biden when she dropped out.

It’s not going to be Abrams. Clyburn has kept it cordial in public but I know he’s telling Biden that’s not the direction he should go.

https://twitter.com/peterjhasson/status/1255194150829355008?s=20

[Rookie Yinzer]

Joe Biden seems a lil dumb for putting Chris Dodd on his team when he was a (shaky, non-credible) allegation on his hands.

Yeah, this is bad optics. Though in fairness, people like us may know who Chris Dodd is and his background, but most laymen probably don't. It may not matter.

It won’t. Half of voters won’t even know the VP is until the convention and the other half won’t know until October.

[Rookie Yinzer]

Jill Biden is still angry about Harris’s attack on Joe in the first debate last year.

She has been in politics too long to still be salty over that mild ass exchange.