The TrumpCare comes back from the dead (...and lives!) thread

[Wiz in Wis]

Breaking: HFC announces support for new bill:
https://mobile.twitter.com/AP/status/857275725119991808

Once more with feeling, if it touches Medicaid and Medicare, it is not passing.

We have to keep telling ourselves this but with these guys...forget it, they'll pass it anyway

Chances in the house... 30-40%, Chances in the Senate... 0-5%

[Wiz in Wis]

Breaking: HFC announces support for new bill:
https://mobile.twitter.com/AP/status/857275725119991808

Once more with feeling, if it touches Medicaid and Medicare, it is not passing.

We have to keep telling ourselves this but with these guys...forget it, they'll pass it anyway

Chances in the house... 30-40%, Chances in the Senate... 0-5%

They could just change the rules in the Senate to pass it without 60 votes

Last I checked there were only 52 GOP senators, and there is no way that they get Collins/Murkowski on this, so they have to hold everyone else, and use Pence.... Given that COTTON seemed to hate the AHCA, I kinda doubt that would happen.

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2017/03/senators-can-kill-gop-health-plan.html

[Wiz in Wis]

Breaking: HFC announces support for new bill:
https://mobile.twitter.com/AP/status/857275725119991808

Once more with feeling, if it touches Medicaid and Medicare, it is not passing.

We have to keep telling ourselves this but with these guys...forget it, they'll pass it anyway

Chances in the house... 30-40%, Chances in the Senate... 0-5%

They could just change the rules in the Senate to pass it without 60 votes

Last I checked there were only 52 GOP senators, and there is no way that they get Collins/Murkowski on this, so they have to hold everyone else, and use Pence.... Given that COTTON seemed to hate the AHCA, I kinda doubt that would happen.

Reps don't care...they'll do it anyway. Read the memos Congressional GOPers send themselves. They think they have 100% backing from the American public...it's like a cult over there

Isn't that what you were saying before the previous version of Trumpcare collapsed?

Just because it previously failed doesn't mean it still can't pass. They'll end up passing something eventually as the resistance breaks down in the party. It took LBJ a couple of months to get Medicare and it took Obama over a year to pass ACA

LBJ and Obama had much bigger House/Senate Majorities to work with, and they took a year because they didn't cram it through without hearings. I don't think the AHCA is the noose the GOP wants to hang themselves with, especially the 23 House members in Clinton districts, let alone Collins, Heller, Portman, etc.

Without at least some interest from Dems, this thing is going nowhere fast.

[Wiz in Wis]

Breaking: HFC announces support for new bill:
https://mobile.twitter.com/AP/status/857275725119991808

Once more with feeling, if it touches Medicaid and Medicare, it is not passing.

We have to keep telling ourselves this but with these guys...forget it, they'll pass it anyway

Chances in the house... 30-40%, Chances in the Senate... 0-5%

They could just change the rules in the Senate to pass it without 60 votes

Last I checked there were only 52 GOP senators, and there is no way that they get Collins/Murkowski on this, so they have to hold everyone else, and use Pence.... Given that COTTON seemed to hate the AHCA, I kinda doubt that would happen.

Reps don't care...they'll do it anyway. Read the memos Congressional GOPers send themselves. They think they have 100% backing from the American public...it's like a cult over there

Isn't that what you were saying before the previous version of Trumpcare collapsed?

Just because it previously failed doesn't mean it still can't pass. They'll end up passing something eventually as the resistance breaks down in the party. It took LBJ a couple of months to get Medicare and it took Obama over a year to pass ACA

LBJ and Obama had much bigger House/Senate Majorities to work with, and they took a year because they didn't cram it through without hearings. I don't think the AHCA is the noose the GOP wants to hang themselves with, especially the 23 House members in Clinton districts, let alone Collins, Heller, Portman, etc.

Without at least some interest from Dems, this thing is going nowhere fast.

Based off of my understanding, maybe I'm wrong here, but once the house passes AHCA...it basically kills Obama care until the Senate votes to replace it. The GOP would then under those circumstances hold it hostage till the Dems cave

Your understanding is incorrect. Obamacare replacement needs to pass both chambers. Until it does so, there is no change in the status quo.

[Wiz in Wis]

First of all, there is toxic partisanship on both sides of the spectrum. Neither party is working for America. Obama never asked for help on Obamacare, nor Trump with Trumpcare with the opposition parties. Obamacare should remain, but you will probably see a government run health care system soon. This new bill doesn't make sense.

Oh f**k off with that. Obamacare based heavily off of Bob Dole's 96 plan

It's essentially RomneyCare nationalized. It WAS a market solution, but the GOP didn't like that they couldn't take credit for it, so they freaked out.