Parents of trans teenager in Texas investigated for "child abuse" after suicide attempt

[John Dule]

Parents should be investigated for abuse in every case of attempted child suicide.

[John Dule]

Went back to the original thread where the original child abuse policy was announced. Here's a list of posters who deflected this and turned the thread into a debate about puberty blockers, minimized the obvious cruelty and stupidity behind this policy, or outright showed support behind it and agreed with its sentiment.

John Dule
TheTarHeelGent
Mr. Reactionary
Conservatopia
Sprouts
ShadowOfTheWave
realisticidealist
Christian Man
DaleCooper
Xeuma
Okthisisnotepic.
heatcharger
Abdullah
Grassroots
PiT
Averroës Nix
BabyAlligator
DelTachi
Russian Bear
Farmlands
RFayette
Shua
TheReckoning
BG-NY
DeadPrez
Horus

 every single one of you.

To the likes of John Dule and DaleCooper, you aren't smarter or better than other people by trying to turn everything into a game to where if you show any kind of emotion you lose. There are real lives that are being impacted because politics is not a ing middle school debate team competition.

To the conservatives, the policies you support are evil. You are all aware of this deep down but refuse to admit it to yourselves. You will happily waive away the continued suffering of others caused by the politicians you support because you are so selfish and depraved that you can not possibly show any ounce of compassion or sympathy towards other human beings. You will cling onto your twisted and morally bankrupted understanding of Christianity that in your mind somehow justifies the continued abuse of anyone who isn't like you.

John Dule numero uno! Campeao de mundo~!  

[John Dule]

Opposition to puberty blockers makes no sense if your position is that children should wait until adulthood before making the decision to transition. It would literally delay the irreversible effects of puberty. Forcing them to go through the wrong puberty isn’t going to help the situation. If they ultimately decide not to transition, then they can go off the puberty blockers - they are reversible, and acting like they aren’t is disingenuous.

This is actually something where I'm legitimately curious about the conservative position. The thinking seems to be that children are categorically unable to consent to the changes that come along with HRT – i.e., the changes that come with the puberty associated with the opposite sex. How, then, can they consent to the changes that come with the puberty associated with their sex? Surely it's simply a naturalistic fallacy to differentiate between them because one happens normally and one doesn't, right? This would imply that (absent side effects) puberty blockers should be not only allowed but mandatory until 18, no? But I doubt that many conservatives would countenance such a position for a second. This seems like a glaring hole, and I feel like it can't be the case that no conservative has ever thought of this contradiction before.

This is one of those things where you have to roll up your sleeves and put in some real hard work to confuse yourself about it.

[John Dule]

If in any other circumstance a child attempted suicide after their parents mutilated them, there would be an investigation at the very least. Not sure why this should be any different here.

Hormone therapy is mutilation? Even when the kid has probably only been on hormones for a short time? How many times do transphobes have to he told that minors do not get genital surgery for you to stop pretending that that is the case? If a circumcised kid attempts suicide, should the parents be on the hook? What about a cancer survivor who went through chemo, what if they attempt suicide? What about a cis teen who got a nose job?

Hormone therapy is mutilation, yes. Circumcision and cancer treatments are not mutilation. Nose rings are mutilation, but of a far lower degree than hormone therapy and are reversible without medical impact.

Credibility lost.

[John Dule]

If in any other circumstance a child attempted suicide after their parents mutilated them, there would be an investigation at the very least. Not sure why this should be any different here.

Hormone therapy is mutilation? Even when the kid has probably only been on hormones for a short time? How many times do transphobes have to he told that minors do not get genital surgery for you to stop pretending that that is the case? If a circumcised kid attempts suicide, should the parents be on the hook? What about a cancer survivor who went through chemo, what if they attempt suicide? What about a cis teen who got a nose job?

Hormone therapy is mutilation, yes. Circumcision and cancer treatments are not mutilation. Nose rings are mutilation, but of a far lower degree than hormone therapy and are reversible without medical impact.

Credibility lost.

Circumcision is a medically beneficial procedure that should be common practice in more countries.

The transgender community has identified more tangible health benefits to transitioning than anyone has been able to identify for circumcision. You are wrong.

[John Dule]

We have created a World where if I go through life believing I am a God with special powers I will be considered as having a Mental Health problem, and the desire people who were actually caring would be the desire to see that I received help for my Mental Health condition, whatever that may be.  

Wow, great point Fuzzy. Can you think of any similarly outlandish delusions you might participate in?