TIL about 'Side B' LGBTQ Christians

[John Dule]

Given the levels of promiscuity in the gay community, it doesn't surprise me that some homosexual people have rejected gay culture by swinging all the way to the most radical opposite side of the spectrum.

[John Dule]

It's the same type of mentality that sees any hardships in life as a test from God. Except in this case, much more harmful, since it leads to the repression of sexuality, which nearly always results in mental health issues.

Given the levels of promiscuity in the gay community, it doesn't surprise me that some homosexual people have rejected gay culture by swinging all the way to the most radical opposite side of the spectrum.

Ridiculous, the more promiscuous members of the gay community are simply more visible than it's heterosexual counterparts due to more public exposure, it's not an exclusive aspect to it.

I was fine with leaving this as it is, but you're questioning facts that are pretty well-established. Gay men have far more partners than their straight counterparts. I don't want you to think I was just "projecting" here, or making broad assumptions based on non-representative portions of the community, so I thought I'd clear that up for you.

[John Dule]

It's the same type of mentality that sees any hardships in life as a test from God. Except in this case, much more harmful, since it leads to the repression of sexuality, which nearly always results in mental health issues.

Given the levels of promiscuity in the gay community, it doesn't surprise me that some homosexual people have rejected gay culture by swinging all the way to the most radical opposite side of the spectrum.

Ridiculous, the more promiscuous members of the gay community are simply more visible than it's heterosexual counterparts due to more public exposure, it's not an exclusive aspect to it.

I was fine with leaving this as it is, but you're questioning facts that are pretty well-established. Gay men have far more partners than their straight counterparts. I don't want you to think I was just "projecting" here, or making broad assumptions based on non-representative portions of the community, so I thought I'd clear that up for you.

So yes, this all comes, once again, down to gay men.  Lesbians and other LGBTQ people are left out of the conversation.  This phenomenon, in and of itself, likely plays a role in the shame that some of the "Side B" men have.  They are constantly scrutinized by the public at large and every part of their relationships and sexual practices are scrutinized and judged.

As for that survey, you are talking a gay men sample size of 252 compared to 11,336 straight men.  These results would only include those gay men who were comfortable enough to reveal their sexuality in the first place... and those gay men that have 4+ partners could very well be more likely to admit or participate in the survey.  A deeply closeted gay man with 0 partners might decline or simply say he is straight.

You can question this study or that one, but this is hardly the only data that exists on the subject. I didn't come here to have a debate on the subject; I just wanted to clear things up because it was being implied that my earlier statement did not have factual evidence to back it up.

[John Dule]

It's the same type of mentality that sees any hardships in life as a test from God. Except in this case, much more harmful, since it leads to the repression of sexuality, which nearly always results in mental health issues.

Given the levels of promiscuity in the gay community, it doesn't surprise me that some homosexual people have rejected gay culture by swinging all the way to the most radical opposite side of the spectrum.

Ridiculous, the more promiscuous members of the gay community are simply more visible than it's heterosexual counterparts due to more public exposure, it's not an exclusive aspect to it.

I was fine with leaving this as it is, but you're questioning facts that are pretty well-established. Gay men have far more partners than their straight counterparts. I don't want you to think I was just "projecting" here, or making broad assumptions based on non-representative portions of the community, so I thought I'd clear that up for you.

So yes, this all comes, once again, down to gay men.  Lesbians and other LGBTQ people are left out of the conversation.  This phenomenon, in and of itself, likely plays a role in the shame that some of the "Side B" men have.  They are constantly scrutinized by the public at large and every part of their relationships and sexual practices are scrutinized and judged.

As for that survey, you are talking a gay men sample size of 252 compared to 11,336 straight men.  These results would only include those gay men who were comfortable enough to reveal their sexuality in the first place... and those gay men that have 4+ partners could very well be more likely to admit or participate in the survey.  A deeply closeted gay man with 0 partners might decline or simply say he is straight.

You can question this study or that one, but this is hardly the only data that exists on the subject. I didn't come here to have a debate on the subject; I just wanted to clear things up because it was being implied that my earlier statement did not have factual evidence to back it up.

You provided sh**tty evidence and then tried to cut off debate because “uugh I just CANT right now” and then cited vague “there’s lots of other evidence”. 

My questions would undermine any possible data you could provide because it is all based on survey samples, not actual population data. 

Remember in skewl when they constantly said think critically?

The evidence I've provided is only "sh**tty" because of a completely fabricated retort you've just invented that is purely speculative and has no evidence to support it.

[John Dule]

You made an assertion that some gay men are "side B" because of a strongly negative reaction to how promiscuous some other gay men are.

I pointed out the methodological vulnerabilities of using survey data to cover topics regarding sexuality.

You came into this thread doing precisely what you accuse me of doing.  A completely fabricated assertion (likely based on your own prejudice) that is purely speculative and has no evidence to support it.

I think you just wanted to further a negative cultural trope about gay men and you found an opportunity to do so.

I don't have time for these unfounded aspersions. Here, have some more studies.

"Sexual debut occurred earlier among MSM than heterosexuals. MSM reported longer cumulative lifetime periods of new partner acquisition than heterosexuals, and a more gradual decline in new partnership formation with age."

"These stereotypes about homosexual men seem to be supported by research in that homosexual men reported higher levels of casual sexual behaviors across all genders, sexes, and sexual orientations comparison groups (Howard & Perilloux, 2016)."

Here's a pretty fair one that, in attempting to "debunk" this "myth," is forced to admit that the average number of sex partners for gay men is higher than among straight men:

"First, although gay men typically report a higher number of partners than heterosexual men on average, we need to look at the median (or 50th percentile) before drawing any conclusions because averages can be easily distorted by a few extreme responses."

This seems accurate in that a small group may be offsetting the average, which also affects public perceptions. Nevertheless, you're trying to argue against this by calling it a "stereotype," but that's not enough to disprove it; stereotypes often exaggerate the facts but they don't always fabricate them entirely. Also, I've not said one single anti-gay thing on this site, so you're really reaching with that last comment. And although my closest gay friend is a Grindr addict who has about three different partners every week, I'm well aware that most gays (and indeed, most humans) aren't capable of that kind of stamina, so I'm definitely not extrapolating from my personal experience either.