Donald Trump Goes All In On Slashing Legal Immigration

[Kamala]

I don't know if this will help the economy, but my incredibly tiny brain says that this means less brown people so I'm all for it.

[Kamala]

I am half immigrant and I support this reform, Bill clinton was the last Democrat I liked.

The hell is a "half immigrant"?!

[Kamala]

Most American immigration is charity. Full stop.

The immigrants get richer. The people already here get poorer.

If these immigrants are such a boon to the economy, why did they have to immigrate in the first place? Why are their countries of origin so poor?

Why does coming to America suddenly make them so profitable?

The answer is, it doesn't. They simply get richer because when they come here and have children, they qualify for benefits paid for by the American tax payer.

It should not be an imperative that US taxpayers have to continue giving out charity like this.

Surprisingly, immigrants also pay taxes. I know it's a difficult concept to grasp, but nonwhites are also people, and they pay taxes. Meaning they also qualify for benefits.

[Kamala]

This thread is really rich in how the children, or grandchildren, or great-grandchildren of immigrants are believing that all of the sudden these new immigrants are a burden and a strain on the economy.

Really interesting, isn't it? Must've been nice that your relatives had immigrated fifty, or one hundred, or two hundred years ago. They were real hard workers, way different from the lazy moochers coming in today, right?

Oh, I know the difference! It's the color of their skin, isn't it?

[Kamala]

This thread is really rich in how the children, or grandchildren, or great-grandchildren of immigrants are believing that all of the sudden these new immigrants are a burden and a strain on the economy.

Really interesting, isn't it? Must've been nice that your relatives had immigrated fifty, or one hundred, or two hundred years ago. They were real hard workers, way different from the lazy moochers coming in today, right?

Oh, I know the difference! It's the color of their skin, isn't it?

100 years ago immigrants weren't mooching because we didn't have any social programs to mooch off. That's the difference.

Social programs were created in the 30s after we mostly stopped taking in new immigrants.

We took in a lot of new immigrants after Hart-Celler was passed, and by that time we had the Great Society social programs. What makes today's immigrants so much more of an existential threat to white supremacist losers like you than the immigrants fifty years ago?

[Kamala]

This thread is really rich in how the children, or grandchildren, or great-grandchildren of immigrants are believing that all of the sudden these new immigrants are a burden and a strain on the economy.

Really interesting, isn't it? Must've been nice that your relatives had immigrated fifty, or one hundred, or two hundred years ago. They were real hard workers, way different from the lazy moochers coming in today, right?

Oh, I know the difference! It's the color of their skin, isn't it?

You really can't tell the difference between today and the 19th century? There is no sparsely populated western lands in need of settlers, there are no newly opened factories desperate for workers. We are entering an age where automation will do away with more and more forms of labor, and we'll struggle to find employment for our own citizens, so there is no need to continue to bring in large numbers of unskilled immigrants anymore. Different times call for different policies. And a poem written on a statue is not a part of the Constitution or US law.

There are, however, scores of tech firms in dire need of highly skilled immigrants. Obviously there aren't enough of those here.

Also, the phrase "our own citizens" is frankly ridiculous. Any legs immigrant can theoretically become a citizen. Why does it matter if the citizen was born here or naturalized?

My immigrant mother is just as much of an American citizen as you or me.

[Kamala]

This thread is really rich in how the children, or grandchildren, or great-grandchildren of immigrants are believing that all of the sudden these new immigrants are a burden and a strain on the economy.

Really interesting, isn't it? Must've been nice that your relatives had immigrated fifty, or one hundred, or two hundred years ago. They were real hard workers, way different from the lazy moochers coming in today, right?

Oh, I know the difference! It's the color of their skin, isn't it?

100 years ago immigrants weren't mooching because we didn't have any social programs to mooch off. That's the difference.

Social programs were created in the 30s after we mostly stopped taking in new immigrants.

We took in a lot of new immigrants after Hart-Celler was passed, and by that time we had the Great Society social programs. What makes today's immigrants so much more of an existential threat to white supremacist losers like you than the immigrants fifty years ago?

Immigrants today aren't more damaging to the economy than immigrants 50 years ago. Immigrants 50 years ago were just as damaging. That's why the real value of wages has been going down and wealth inequality has been going up continuously since 1965.

Hart-Celler was good in some ways, that it ended preferential treatment based on race. It was mostly harmful though because it totally blew the doors to immigration wide open. Most of the people we have taken in since then have been poor (obviously, if you're already rich in your own country, you have less reason to move) and thus a net drain on the economy.

Okay, so now immigrants are the sole reason real wages have dropped, they're the cause of wealth inequality. What else do we want to blame on the bogeyman of "scary foreigners"?

[Kamala]

This thread is really rich in how the children, or grandchildren, or great-grandchildren of immigrants are believing that all of the sudden these new immigrants are a burden and a strain on the economy.

Really interesting, isn't it? Must've been nice that your relatives had immigrated fifty, or one hundred, or two hundred years ago. They were real hard workers, way different from the lazy moochers coming in today, right?

Oh, I know the difference! It's the color of their skin, isn't it?

100 years ago immigrants weren't mooching because we didn't have any social programs to mooch off. That's the difference.

Social programs were created in the 30s after we mostly stopped taking in new immigrants.

We took in a lot of new immigrants after Hart-Celler was passed, and by that time we had the Great Society social programs. What makes today's immigrants so much more of an existential threat to white supremacist losers like you than the immigrants fifty years ago?

Immigrants today aren't more damaging to the economy than immigrants 50 years ago. Immigrants 50 years ago were just as damaging. That's why the real value of wages has been going down and wealth inequality has been going up continuously since 1965.

Hart-Celler was good in some ways, that it ended preferential treatment based on race. It was mostly harmful though because it totally blew the doors to immigration wide open. Most of the people we have taken in since then have been poor (obviously, if you're already rich in your own country, you have less reason to move) and thus a net drain on the economy.

Okay, so now immigrants are the sole reason real wages have dropped, they're the cause of wealth inequality. What else do we want to blame on the bogeyman of "scary foreigners"?

The last time we had inequality this high was during the gilded age when the immigrant share of the population was also this high.

This is beyond the deep end of stupidity. You are blaming poor and middle class immigrants for the wealth accumulation of the rich?

I have no love for political cartoons, but this might help you understand.
 

[Kamala]

Yep, it's the immigrants destroying labor unions, not right to work laws.

Yep, it's the immigrants who are fighting against raising (and previously, establishing) the minimum wage, not the rich.

Yep, it's easy, real easy, to blame immigrants for everything.
First you break them down into the "other."
Then you dehumanize them.
Then you just dump your problems on the "scary brown invaders," ruining our country's racial purity.

It was all so blissful before the hordes arrived, right?

[Kamala]

Yep, it's the immigrants destroying labor unions, not right to work laws.

Yep, it's the immigrants who are fighting against raising (and previously, establishing) the minimum wage, not the rich.

Yep, it's easy, real easy, to blame immigrants for everything.
First you break them down into the "other."
Then you dehumanize them.
Then you just dump your problems on the "scary brown invaders," ruining our country's racial purity.

It was all so blissful before the hordes arrived, right?

You guys claim to want to raise the minimum wage or make it easier to form unions, then you look the other way as employers hire illegal labor at sub-minimum wages and without labor protections from a union. Then you guys will cry about how things like vegetables will be too expensive if we don't use a permanent underclass of exploited labor to pick them for us. That sounds dehumanizing to me.

Don't you even try to make it seem like you care about undocumented workers. This is your strategy at work: try to divide people, make them work against each rather than against people like you.

You benefit from immigrants, documented and undocumented. Yet from your ivory tower you deride those beneath you.

You are the bottom of the barrel of the human gene pool. Disgusting, exploitive, ridiculous. You yourself, unless you're a Native American,  are a descendant of immigrants but you spit upon anyone who is making the same process as your family had. You were lucky enough to have ancestors who were born at the right time, had the right resources, and were of the right race. You have no standing, moral or economic, to claim that these new immigrants are worse than the people who were born in the United States. Your relatives destroyed not just the economy of the Native Americans, you destroyed their civilization.

[Kamala]

Yep, it's the immigrants destroying labor unions, not right to work laws.

Yep, it's the immigrants who are fighting against raising (and previously, establishing) the minimum wage, not the rich.

Yep, it's easy, real easy, to blame immigrants for everything.
First you break them down into the "other."
Then you dehumanize them.
Then you just dump your problems on the "scary brown invaders," ruining our country's racial purity.

It was all so blissful before the hordes arrived, right?

You guys claim to want to raise the minimum wage or make it easier to form unions, then you look the other way as employers hire illegal labor at sub-minimum wages and without labor protections from a union. Then you guys will cry about how things like vegetables will be too expensive if we don't use a permanent underclass of exploited labor to pick them for us. That sounds dehumanizing to me.

Don't you even try to make it seem like you care about undocumented workers. This is your strategy at work: try to divide people, make them work against each rather than against people like you.

You benefit from immigrants, documented and undocumented. Yet from your ivory tower you deride those beneath you.

You are the bottom of the barrel of the human gene pool. Disgusting, exploitive, ridiculous. You yourself, unless you're a Native American,  are a descendant of immigrants but you spit upon anyone who is making the same process as your family had. You were lucky enough to have ancestors who were born at the right time, had the right resources, and were of the right race. You have no standing, moral or economic, to claim that these new immigrants are worse than the people who were born in the United States. Your relatives destroyed not just the economy of the Native Americans, you destroyed their civilization.

You don't know me, and in fact you don't know sh!t. Everything you said is dead wrong.

I may know nothing, but your beliefs define your character. Your character defines your destiny. I see nothing but hate in your heart.

[Kamala]

Yep, it's the immigrants destroying labor unions, not right to work laws.

Yep, it's the immigrants who are fighting against raising (and previously, establishing) the minimum wage, not the rich.

Yep, it's easy, real easy, to blame immigrants for everything.
First you break them down into the "other."
Then you dehumanize them.
Then you just dump your problems on the "scary brown invaders," ruining our country's racial purity.

It was all so blissful before the hordes arrived, right?

You guys claim to want to raise the minimum wage or make it easier to form unions, then you look the other way as employers hire illegal labor at sub-minimum wages and without labor protections from a union. Then you guys will cry about how things like vegetables will be too expensive if we don't use a permanent underclass of exploited labor to pick them for us. That sounds dehumanizing to me.

Don't you even try to make it seem like you care about undocumented workers. This is your strategy at work: try to divide people, make them work against each rather than against people like you.

You benefit from immigrants, documented and undocumented. Yet from your ivory tower you deride those beneath you.

You are the bottom of the barrel of the human gene pool. Disgusting, exploitive, ridiculous. You yourself, unless you're a Native American,  are a descendant of immigrants but you spit upon anyone who is making the same process as your family had. You were lucky enough to have ancestors who were born at the right time, had the right resources, and were of the right race. You have no standing, moral or economic, to claim that these new immigrants are worse than the people who were born in the United States. Your relatives destroyed not just the economy of the Native Americans, you destroyed their civilization.

I'm not claiming people born in America are better people than immigrants. I am claiming people born in America have more right to live in America than people who weren't born in America.

Just like people born in Mexico have more right to live in Mexico than people not born in Mexico.

And why is that? Most people born in America are descendants of immigrants. They have as much "right" to live in America as immigrants do. The only people who have any legitimate "right" to live in America are Native Americans.

[Kamala]

Yep, it's the immigrants destroying labor unions, not right to work laws.

Yep, it's the immigrants who are fighting against raising (and previously, establishing) the minimum wage, not the rich.

Yep, it's easy, real easy, to blame immigrants for everything.
First you break them down into the "other."
Then you dehumanize them.
Then you just dump your problems on the "scary brown invaders," ruining our country's racial purity.

It was all so blissful before the hordes arrived, right?

You guys claim to want to raise the minimum wage or make it easier to form unions, then you look the other way as employers hire illegal labor at sub-minimum wages and without labor protections from a union. Then you guys will cry about how things like vegetables will be too expensive if we don't use a permanent underclass of exploited labor to pick them for us. That sounds dehumanizing to me.

Don't you even try to make it seem like you care about undocumented workers. This is your strategy at work: try to divide people, make them work against each rather than against people like you.

You benefit from immigrants, documented and undocumented. Yet from your ivory tower you deride those beneath you.

You are the bottom of the barrel of the human gene pool. Disgusting, exploitive, ridiculous. You yourself, unless you're a Native American,  are a descendant of immigrants but you spit upon anyone who is making the same process as your family had. You were lucky enough to have ancestors who were born at the right time, had the right resources, and were of the right race. You have no standing, moral or economic, to claim that these new immigrants are worse than the people who were born in the United States. Your relatives destroyed not just the economy of the Native Americans, you destroyed their civilization.

You don't know me, and in fact you don't know sh!t. Everything you said is dead wrong.

I may know nothing, but your beliefs define your character. Your character defines your destiny. I see nothing but hate in your heart.

You ignore all of my economic arguments and have attacked me personally. You obviously have no legitimate arguments to make on this issue.

You made dubious economic arguments with extremely spurious correlations. There's no way to refute an illogical debater with illogical arguments.