Germany megathread

[kelestian]

This gets a yikes from me:

"“It was a grave mistake to let in so many people of totally different culture and religion and concepts, because it creates a pressure group inside each country that does that,” the 100-year-old ex-top American diplomat said in an interview..."

German-born Kissinger — who fled Nazi Germany with his family in 1938, and went on to become the architect of American foreign policy during the Vietnam War — said that it was “painful,” in response to a question about seeing Arabs in Berlin celebrating last weekend’s assault on Israel."

Blaming antisemitism in Germany on immigrants is just hysterical.

Sometimes people just need to calm the f**k down. Yeah, the events on Neukölln on Saturday were bad. But Samidoun, the Palestinian organization responsible for organizing it, got banned in less than week. People who have attended are being prosecuted by the authorities. While this doesn't ultimately solve the underlying problem - this needs more civic education efforts in certain school districts, for one thing - one shouldn't blow it out of proportion by saying that Muslim immigrants shouldn't have come to Germany. The political talk show Maybrit Illner featured two German citizens of Muslim descent tonight who were arguably more pro-Israel than I am.

(And I haven't adressed yet that these Samidoun folks are Marxist-Leninists, not Islamists, raising the point to what extent that "different culture and religion" stuff really applies here.)

Oh, more civic education won't fix anything. It's clear that there are too many refugees from Turkey and Arabic World (not only from there) to assimilate. Even Russian Germans are not fully integrated, despite similar culture.

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And how many is "too many"? How is this quantified and who decides??

If certain individuals said "I don't like foreigners/brown people" it would at least be more honest.

Number-wise? Who knows. Practically? If new emigrants are assimilated in German society, without creating separated social structures, without bringing their Homelands politics and grievances on German soil, without trying to bring and install different moral/ethic norms in communities, that's good enough. I'd say in Germany it is not as bad as in another European countries, but still.

Has nothing to do with race, I explicitly mentioned Russian-Germans as an example.

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Multiple fights between pro-Palestinian mobs and Police in Neuköln yesterday, bus service through the area was stopped. Also synagogue was attacked with Molotov cocktail.

https://www.tagesspiegel.de/berlin/molotowcocktails-auf-berliner-synagoge-geworfen-innensenatorin-spranger-sieht-angriff-auf-grundfeste-unseres-miteinanders-10642945.html

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https://www.nius.de/News/neun-maenner-vergewaltigten-15-jaehrige-nur-einer-muss-ins-gefaengnis/a44a0f33-2948-4c7f-8c8d-1d1291046794

Infuriating Court decision in Hamburg: after long gang-rape of a 15-year old girl only one of 9 rapists will go to jail (for leas than 3 years). Other perpetrators (19 to 23 years old, foreign background) hot no prison time at all.

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The CDU has pledged to make repeal the law should they come to power again

With whom?

I guess the best shot would be the SPD where the greatest reservations against the decriminalization exist. So the CDU seeks another grand coalition.

I guess they're banking on the law turning into a failure and that it will be viewed as such by the public a few years down the road.

We'll see how it plays out, as there are legitimate arguments on both sides of the equasion, even though I personally think decriminalization is the right step to get dealers off the streets.

I already heard an argument that the half-hearted form of legalization the traffic light coalition has implemented could actually strengthen illegal activity as opposed to a full-on legalization that wouldn't have left as many opportunities for a black market.

From what I understand, it only slightly affect black market - most weed users will still buy drugs from dealers, only small part will transfer to self-grown marichuana

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Knife attack in Mannheim on anti-islamic activists, several people, including police officer, hospitalized. Perpetrator was shot by Police. Shocking video of the attack can be found on Twitter
https://m.bild.de/regional/baden-wuerttemberg/mannheim-brutaler-messerangriff-auf-islam-kritiker-6659a3c9c370a679ea9df3dc?t_ref=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2F