To the rest of your comment, I think this really drives home the absurdity of parsing out "gender" as something that is different from "sex." Sex is biological and there are biological foundations for almost all the behavior that you might refer to as "gendered." Society did not arbitrarily decide that men should be in leadership roles, that women should take care of children, or that men should go to war. All of these social norms have deep roots in biology, and I really do not see the point in trying to separate the two from one another as if "gender roles" are somehow entirely independent from the natural differences between the sexes. I agree that we are at the point in our technological advancement where we can potentially move towards abolishing some of these norms (in war, for instance, it doesn't matter whether a man or a woman is piloting the drone). But in doing so, it is worth examining how we got here and what the biological causes of our differences are.
(insert usual disclaimer of "I am not Trans" here)
I mean, I seriously doubt any trans people are trans because they merely want to adopt the social norms and customs of the opposite gender they were born in?
If you were born as a man, and you happen to like painting your nails, baby dolls, the colour pink and other activities stereotyped as femenine, that does not mean you are a trans woman; those are just a list of activities you may like. Similarly if you were born as a woman, and happen to like shooting video games, fighting, trucks or the colour blue and other stuff stereotyped as masculine that does not mean you are a trans man.
Gender roles and trans people are mostly independent from one another I would imagine.
Of course, it is not hard to imagine many trans people adopting the "expected gender roles" of their preferred gender in order to reinforce their transition in some way. However you can be a trans person and still reject gender roles. You can be a trans woman and not want to be a "stay at home mum"; and you can be a trans man and not want to be a "breadwinner dad". Not all trans people want to become gender stereotypes of their preferred gender.
Gender and sex are indeed linked extremely strongly (after all, trans people are a very small minority of the population). But I fail to see what relevance traditional gender roles play here.
This conversation reminds me of one time I was in a discussion (outside Atlas) with a trans woman on gender roles and I got called a "gender abolitionist" for claiming she did not need to adopt traditional woman roles if she did not want to lmao (probably the #wokest I have ever been called tbh)
I imagine the few resident trans people in here can verify (or correct me) on all of this I suppose; I am mostly talking from my own unsourced opinions and guesses here.
