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« on: September 19, 2017, 05:59:13 PM »

Many Sanders supporters often confuse the fact that he is the most popular senator with him being popular nationally. Those favorability ratings are normally taken from his Vermont constituents, not the nation as a whole
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« Reply #1 on: September 20, 2017, 01:40:01 PM »

It's true I love Bernie but we need a Reagan to his Goldwater. The ideal 2020 would be a younger, charismatic, govenor (preferably) well like inside the party who can push Bernie's ideas. The problem is their is literally no one in the possible 2020 field like that. The closest is Warren and she really isn't that much younger then Bernie nor more charismatic then him.

The main problem is that it's not enough to just run on the same policies. You couldn't give Bernie's platform to say, Andrew Cuomo, and have it have the same wide-ranging popularity. Sanders' popularity mostly stems from his authenticity: He doesn't wait until it's politically convenient to hop on good ideas, he doesn't need to receive thousands of calls from angry constituency to be on the right side of an issue.

Jeremy Corbyn, UK's current Labor leader, has a similar popularity. I (and other leftists I know and on Twitter) have poured over his political history looking for SOME reason to dislike him, and I couldn't. His moral compass always points in the right direction.

There are very few, if any, such characters in mainstream politics who could take up the Sanders mantle and not make it seem like an obvious pander.

Sanders didn't support gay marriage til 2009.

Sanders supported the Gulf War to help him get elected in 1990.

He has supported every bombing of Iran since 1992 and supported the sanctions.

While chairman of the Senate VA committee he had a huge scandal where he allowed many veterans to die, and instead of changing he claimed it was a Koch brothers conspiracy.

During the early part of his campaign he was saying similar stuff to Trump in terms of illegal immigration, but once those 2 terrorists took the stage from him in Seattle he became a hardcore SJW.

He supported the war on drugs in the 90s. His opponent for the 1990 House seat was a black woman who was against the war on drugs and Sanders would say she's wrong about it.

He supported the death penalty and mass incarceration in the 1990s and only became against them once it became popular in the progressive movement.

He claims to be against "man-made" climate change but always flew in private planes for example.

He supports drone strikes.

etc. etc.

I could go on and on about this evil (and Sanders is evil).

I don't understand why you seem to have so much trouble understanding this, but one can be an activist in the fight against climate change and still fly as a means of transportation. People are against the UNNECESSARY use of fossil fuels. Flying in a private jet is necessary when running a national campaign for president. How else is one supposed to travel multiple times in a day to multiple different states? Flying coach wouldn't work with all the time wasted at each airport. So unless you have an alternate solution, the point you're trying to make is pretty dumb....
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