WV-SEN 2018: Haunted Manchin

[Co-Chair Bagel23]

Do y'all think Ojeda could have successfully primaried Manchin? And if so, how would he match up against Morrisey?

Oh, he would have won, easily. Most of Manchin's hate comes from more Liberal members who dont like his centrism. And while Manchin is established, Ojeda is populist and drives enthusiasm. And this doesnt change the fact that Morrisey is a terrible candidate. Lean D with Ojeda.

I would think all of this, my only barrier is name rec, Ojeda's is still relatively quite low rn.

[Co-Chair Bagel23]

When Ojeda wins, will he join the Blue Dog Caucus?
 This is just a general question for Atlas.

 Im hoping no, but something in me says yes.

I doubt it, he is too populisty.

[Co-Chair Bagel23]

Alright, so it seems that many dont think he'll join the BGs.

I ask another question, which group is he most likely to join?
Blue Dogs
New Dems
Progressives

I think he might stay indie of any caucuses to keep his image of not caring much about party, but if I had to choose, progressives.

[Co-Chair Bagel23]

Joe continues to be a fair and bipartisan role model in the senate!

http://www.register-herald.com/opinion/columns/manchin-says-he-s-giving-kavanaugh-s-record-a-fair/article_1aa0ffa7-d669-53fc-b203-f5bb18b05f43.html

[Co-Chair Bagel23]

How do you not support somebody who rescues kittens?

https://twitter.com/Ojeda4congress/status/1024278504475488257

[Co-Chair Bagel23]

How do you not support somebody who rescues kittens?

https://twitter.com/Ojeda4congress/status/1024278504475488257

Ojeda has just earned the coveted IceSpear endorsement. I never saw it coming.

Hear hear!

[Co-Chair Bagel23]

Someone really needs to share this meme with Ojeda

[Co-Chair Bagel23]

I think if Ojeda does not run against Justice in 2020, another good person who could mount an effective challeneg against Justice in a GE is Sean Hornbuckle.

[Co-Chair Bagel23]

I think if Ojeda does not run against Justice in 2020, another good person who could mount an effective challeneg against Justice in a GE is Sean Hornbuckle.

He’s a black, you see

Yes, I see,



But beinng black only really significant hurts your chances in some states, and I don't think WV is one of them. Sure they have some racists, but I don't think it's big enough to really tip the scales, as I don't put it in the same category and Alabama, Arkansas, Mississippi, etc. it's a bubba state for sure with plenty of conservatives and hicks, but they really just mostly care about the populist agenda and will really vote for whatever candidate best displays this. Hence Obama winning counties hat are near 100% white and went heavily for Trump. I don't think being black while running in WV is really that big of a detriment to said candidate.

[Co-Chair Bagel23]

I get that this is the washington examiner and a Republican anti-Manchin ad, but nonetheless for once this is some pretty potent stuff that isn't completely baseless and if your goal is to take down Manchin, I'd give this ad an A.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/hillary-clinton-haunts-joe-manchin-in-the-coalfields-of-west-virginia

Manchin has the upper hand, but Morrissey can make a comeback and win this thing. By using material like this which the GOP seems to be getting better at here, getting Trump to bombard this state towards the end which is definitely possible in the likely scenario that Morrissey can show he is within striking range from now till mid October to convince Trump that this would not be a waste of his time, and help make the final push up the hill, and what he is really lacking in right now: money. He needs to start working on that third piece, it will significantly improve his odds.

[Co-Chair Bagel23]

Pretty good retaliatory ad from Manchin

https://www.google.com/amp/thehill.com/policy/healthcare/402366-manchin-hits-opponent-on-obamacare-lawsuit-with-new-ad%3famp

It seems like he has found a solid niche and is pounding Morrisey in over it.

Also Morrisey's response is lame.

[Co-Chair Bagel23]

I find it amusing that Joe f[inks]ing Manchin of all people seems to be running a more "liberal" campaign than Prada Socialist turned Blue Dog turned Dixiecrat Kyrsten Sinema. Or even Joe Donnelly, whose newest immigration ad is vomit worthy.

Hate to disappoint, but Manchin was first

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=oYdAk2XEifA

[Co-Chair Bagel23]

Yuck!

http://www.herald-dispatch.com/news/putnam_news/rep-jenkins-files-candidacy-for-w-va-supreme-court-opening/article_5cbbdfc4-48f1-5f60-97cc-b9324b944419.html

[Co-Chair Bagel23]

The thing that pisses me about Manchin is that there is no fycking reason he needs to hold many of the right-wing economic policies he does. People there don't vote Republican to gut welfare for their meemaw, to give tax cuts to the rich or to support deregulation. These are why these idiotic blue dogs got extinct in the south.

Running on banning guns, environmental overregulation, etc. doesn't play well in the South either.

Your deflecting from the actual point the poster made. Manchin is one of the most conservative D senators in the D caucus, but the problem is that he doesnt need to hold many of his fiscally conservative views. WV is not a state that enjoys businesses and such, they are a union state. Just look at Ojeda, hes running on a rather progressive platform, especially on economic issues, and winning. Manchin and Ojeda are the best antithesis to the argument that you need conservatives in Atlas Blue states and that progressives can only win in cities. Being progressive on the right issues while matching your state, Ojeda is pro-coal but supports unionization and other leftwing policies, works, and you dont need to just be moderate or conservative to win.

I mean, look at Donelly, hes falling on his face running to the right. If he stuck up for progressive issues that impact IN, such as unionization and such, and was more conservative on social issues, he would probably have a better job winning.

Uh, while pathetic is some of his attempts, Donnelly is taking the best route possible, being within the moe in Indiana these days is impressive so he obviously knows what he is doing.

[Co-Chair Bagel23]

The thing that pisses me about Manchin is that there is no fycking reason he needs to hold many of the right-wing economic policies he does. People there don't vote Republican to gut welfare for their meemaw, to give tax cuts to the rich or to support deregulation. These are why these idiotic blue dogs got extinct in the south.

Running on banning guns, environmental overregulation, etc. doesn't play well in the South either.

Your deflecting from the actual point the poster made. Manchin is one of the most conservative D senators in the D caucus, but the problem is that he doesnt need to hold many of his fiscally conservative views. WV is not a state that enjoys businesses and such, they are a union state. Just look at Ojeda, hes running on a rather progressive platform, especially on economic issues, and winning. Manchin and Ojeda are the best antithesis to the argument that you need conservatives in Atlas Blue states and that progressives can only win in cities. Being progressive on the right issues while matching your state, Ojeda is pro-coal but supports unionization and other leftwing policies, works, and you dont need to just be moderate or conservative to win.

I mean, look at Donelly, hes falling on his face running to the right. If he stuck up for progressive issues that impact IN, such as unionization and such, and was more conservative on social issues, he would probably have a better job winning.

Uh, while pathetic is some of his attempts, Donnelly is taking the best route possible, being within the moe in Indiana these days is impressive so he obviously knows what he is doing.

I know, but you have to admit, it is pretty pathetic.

Definitely, as the son of immigrants, it made me cringe so much. Same with the Manchin ad, I did not like them at all. Hopefully it pays off though.

[Co-Chair Bagel23]

I always hated this freak!

[Co-Chair Bagel23]

I would rather have Mussolini than this piece of crap.

[Co-Chair Bagel23]

This is how sissy and immature  jd's roll. They don't get their candidate, so now the next best thing is for  Mitch and Morrisey to have it.

[Co-Chair Bagel23]

This is how sissy and immature  jd's roll. They don't get their candidate, so now the next best thing is for  Mitch and Morrisey to have it.

Its not, considering the only JDs who have won are being challenged by more moderates, but whatever. I mean, when has there ever been a time where a JD spoiled a race and gave it to an R? I can think of teapartiers, but not JDs.

Well not yet since jd's are fairly new. But which "moderates" are challenging these jd's who won a nom? Crowley? lol.

[Co-Chair Bagel23]

This is how sissy and immature  jd's roll. They don't get their candidate, so now the next best thing is for  Mitch and Morrisey to have it.

Its not, considering the only JDs who have won are being challenged by more moderates, but whatever. I mean, when has there ever been a time where a JD spoiled a race and gave it to an R? I can think of teapartiers, but not JDs.

Well not yet since jd's are fairly new. But which "moderates" are challenging these jd's who won a nom? Crowley? lol.

Brenda Jones, Joseph Lieberman(in 2006 and today,as he is still trying to find someone to go against Cortez, and has actually tried to get Crowley to go serious, though Crowley has been very respectful and has declined), the numerous attempts by the DCCC to get more progressive candidates on the ballot, etc. There have been many, and there have been 0 by the JDs.

Well I guess no jd has spoiled anything yet, but they are trying to in WV. Oh I did not know about those things, I thought Brenda eventually gave up. Now that you say those I'm not on sided, so I comdemn those attempts too and view them as sissy and immature also.

[Co-Chair Bagel23]

Yeah, she aint going to mess with Manchin and get away with it, her political future will be roasted!

[Co-Chair Bagel23]

It's so awkward how much distance there is between Manchin and Ojeda. They were both in Huntington for an Italian festival a couple days back, and did not even see each other at the event. Yet Manchin was hanging out with ff Hornbuckle, and Ojeda with some random state senate candidate, so they were obviously politicking around a bit, and I don't think there aren't any reasons for that lack of meeting... nonetheless, whatever both of them are doing seems to be working (aka they are ahead rn), so do whatever you need to do to win, but I still feel it's kind of a weird atmosphere.

[Co-Chair Bagel23]

Manchin deserves this. It's karma for supporting the Republican rather than the woman who defeated him in the 1996 primary for governor.

If Manchin loses it won't because of Paula Jean, but it will still hurt. Also you need to think out of the box besides personal feuds, put that aside, we need all the dems in the senate we can get.

[Co-Chair Bagel23]

lol. Let's not shootourselves  to spite Manchin.

Still bitter about 1996.

Very wise, we all need to be united for November, and that includes people like me rooting for jd's who got the nom in the GE.

[Co-Chair Bagel23]

lol. Let's not shootourselves  to spite Manchin.

Still bitter about 1996.

Very wise, we all need to be united for November, and that includes people like me rooting for jd's who got the nom in the GE.

I mean, you have to admit, the Left has produced some FF candidates this year. Even the JDs, which used to be the HP of the Progressive wing, has really made some excellent choices this year.

Some, I guess yeah.