Should church and state remain separate?

[useful idiot]

Should there be an established church? Absolutely not.
Should the government recognize any religious, an organization or otherwise, as true? No.
Should there be prayer in school? No.
Should the ten commandments be posted at a courthouse? Prob not, but it doesn't bother me.
Is there anything wrong with a politician expressing their religious beliefs publically? No.
Is there anything wrong with a prayer opening and closing a governmental event? No.
Should creationism be taught in schools? In a Christian sense, no, but if we're talking about intelligent design, then I don't think it's unconstitutional to present that as a theory for the cause of evolution, or to present holes in the theory. That should be left up to the local school boards.

You can take this question from several angles, but I think as long as we keep things within reason on both sides we shouldn't have a problem. I don't think we had many problems with this up until the modern era, with the exception of Darwinism in schools.

[useful idiot]

Should creationism be taught in schools? In a Christian sense, no, but if we're talking about intelligent design, then I don't think it's unconstitutional to present that as a theory for the cause of evolution, or to present holes in the theory.

Not science, goddamn it.

It's not science to say there is no god and that evolution explains causation, as that's completely unprovable. Why the hell do you care if someone says to kids that there may have been a designer, or there may not have been, but still teach evolution in full? To say that that's unconstitutional is absurd, and more of an atheist position than a scientific one. Agnosticism is more scientific, and having teachers explain that there may or may not have been a designer is pretty agnostic. If it doesn't violate the constitution, which it obviously doesn't unless you're trying to interpret the constitution in a way that allows you to tell people how they should run their own education system, then it should be up to local school boards to decide.

[useful idiot]

Should creationism be taught in schools? In a Christian sense, no, but if we're talking about intelligent design, then I don't think it's unconstitutional to present that as a theory for the cause of evolution, or to present holes in the theory.

Not science, goddamn it.

It's not science to say there is no god and that evolution explains causation, as that's completely unprovable. Why the hell do you care if someone says to kids that there may have been a designer, or there may not have been, but still teach evolution in full? To say that that's unconstitutional is absurd, and more of an atheist position than a scientific one. Agnosticism is more scientific, and having teachers explain that there may or may not have been a designer is pretty agnostic. If it doesn't violate the constitution, which it obviously doesn't unless you're trying to interpret the constitution in a way that allows you to tell people how they should run their own education system, then it should be up to local school boards to decide.

     How about we, you know, not mention anything about any sort of creator? That would make the most sense to me, since the origin of the universe is largely indeterminable (sure, we know things the Big Bang occurred & the universe as we know it began at that point, but it's not as if we are anywhere close to determining the origin of matter & energy in the universe).

If a school board doesn't want to include it, they shouldn't have to. But they shouldn't be prevented from doing so because of people that want to circumvent democracy by claiming something is unconstitutional when it really isn't.

[useful idiot]

Should creationism be taught in schools? In a Christian sense, no, but if we're talking about intelligent design, then I don't think it's unconstitutional to present that as a theory for the cause of evolution, or to present holes in the theory.

Not science, goddamn it.

It's not science to say there is no god and that evolution explains causation, as that's completely unprovable. Why the hell do you care if someone says to kids that there may have been a designer, or there may not have been, but still teach evolution in full? To say that that's unconstitutional is absurd, and more of an atheist position than a scientific one. Agnosticism is more scientific, and having teachers explain that there may or may not have been a designer is pretty agnostic. If it doesn't violate the constitution, which it obviously doesn't unless you're trying to interpret the constitution in a way that allows you to tell people how they should run their own education system, then it should be up to local school boards to decide.

     How about we, you know, not mention anything about any sort of creator? That would make the most sense to me, since the origin of the universe is largely indeterminable (sure, we know things the Big Bang occurred & the universe as we know it began at that point, but it's not as if we are anywhere close to determining the origin of matter & energy in the universe).

If a school board doesn't want to include it, they shouldn't have to. But they shouldn't be prevented from doing so because of people that want to circumvent democracy by claiming something is unconstitutional when it really isn't.

     I doubt that it being constitutional to teach intelligent design somehow negates the point that teaching it would be highly pointless. I didn't go to a public school so maybe I'm mistaken, but I hardly think that public school biology classes are pulpits of atheism.

The fact that it's pointless doesn't negate the fact that those decisions should be left up to individual school boards, and not legislated at the federal level or decided by people who have no stake in the education system of another county or school district.

I'm not saying I support the teaching of intelligent design either, just that I don't feel it's my job to tell others how to handle the education of their children by using the constitution in inappropriate ways.