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Don Vito Corleone
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« on: October 28, 2019, 03:04:53 AM »

Before I begin I'd like to acknowledge that I am quite late in responding to this Treaty reaching the Senate floor, and for that I apologize.

Anyway, as for my statement:
Free Trade agreements have brought many benefits to our nation. They have provided jobs, lowered the cost of goods for consumers here at home, and given our products greater access to global markets. The Atlasia-Africa Free Trade Zone is no exception; it too has provided our nation benefits. Therefore, when Kenya approached us and asked to be inducted into the Free Trade Zone, we immediately negotiated a Treaty to bring them into the zone. And to those who worry about some of the content of this Treaty, I will point out that this Treaty is more or less identical to the one which founded the Atlasia-Africa Free Trade Zone, meaning all the rules and provisions in this treaty are ones already in place; all this Treaty does is expand where the provisions and rules apply to. In short, this Treaty expands a Free Trade Zone which has already proven itself to be beneficial to this country (in an economic as well as geo-political basis), and I urge for it to be passed.
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Don Vito Corleone
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« Reply #1 on: October 28, 2019, 04:38:42 AM »

Assuming I’m reading this correctly, let’s drive down wages by (presumably) removing incentives to ship jobs to Kenya. What could go wrong?
As I pointed out in my statement, all the provisions and rules in this treaty are already in place, and yet we do not see a decline in wages.
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Don Vito Corleone
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« Reply #2 on: October 28, 2019, 04:53:19 PM »

I am generally in favour of free trade, but I have several questions and problems.

First of all, is it normal to reduce all import/export tariffs to literally 0%? I thought most of the time free trade agreements still had a small tariff, just way smaller than normal. Either way maybe I can live with it.
Perhaps it's not normal, but I must admit I don't really see the issue with it (especially as you say it's not a dealbreaker).
I also have problems with many of the points in Section V:

-What do Marketing Boards do? Is that point important?
An Agricultural Marketing Board is an agency which markets Agricultural Products on behalf of the producer. For example, in Canada we had the Canadian Wheat Board which would buy farmer's Wheat and Barely and then sell it on their behalf, giving the profit to the farmer. As to whether the point dealing with them are important, I must admit I don't exactly understand what you mean. Are you asking if the provision dealing with the Marketing Boards is important, or if the existence of the Marketing Boards themselves are important?
-I don't think Atlasia should be enforcing its copyright laws on foreign countries and viceversa. Now, I am in favour of that happening if we were going to pass something like the UK-Atlasia common market agreement, but a simple free trade agreement should not include copyright.
Why not? Expanding our copyright laws allows us to protect the intellectual property of creators in Atlasia, I do not see why expansion is a bad idea.
-I completely oppose removing environmental protections as done in point 6.

Since this is a bilateral trade agreement I don't think we can simply amend it like with any other bill right?
A) I hate to bring this up again so soon but, like I said the rules and provisions in this treaty already exist, and things seem to be working fine. That said, this point does strike me as a perfectly valid criticism and if need be we can look into striking that part of the Treaty.

B) Well, yes, we can't amend it unilaterally, but to my understanding if we had to make some changes we could talk to the Kenyans about it, and I doubt the Kenyans would object based on the character of our negotiations.
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Don Vito Corleone
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« Reply #3 on: November 05, 2019, 12:23:04 PM »
« Edited: November 05, 2019, 03:09:33 PM by The Chad Ralph Northam »

will this promote Kenyan sweatshops or no?
What do you mean by "promote"?
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Don Vito Corleone
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« Reply #4 on: November 08, 2019, 07:24:59 PM »

Encourage Atlasian corporations to outsource labor to them.
No, Senator, this Treaty will not do that.
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