Do you think this country would be better off without suburbs?

[bgwah]

I feel dumber just reading this thread. Maybe it was the Repulsives posting pictures of (old) suburbs as their example of why cities are bad. Not to mention most of the pictures look quite old!

People need to stop confusing urban and slum... Just because most of Detroit is a slum doesn't mean that every city in the country is like that. Give me a break, some of you really need to be sent to a prison camp for being so stupid.

Cities with growing populations will naturally sprawl, but the current way we develop this new sprawl is what gets me. No planning is put into it. The chances of dying in a car accident in the suburbs is higher than being murdered in the city.

Oh well, once the price of gas gets so high and the suburbs are abandoned, it will be fun to watch the ignorant GOP-trash lose everything they have and be shoved into tiny apartments to live the rest of their lives in poverty.

[bgwah]

What makes your concern about strip clubs superior to concerns about property value, crime, etc.?

I don't care about property value, it just means cheaper housing. Crime doesn't bother me. It's not hard to avoid. And it's not just strip clubs. It's also good bars and good record stores.

Vashon Island, a Seattle suburb.  Increasingly wealthy waterside commuters.  30 minute ferry from the centre of Seattle.  About as Democratic as Minneapolis, but with 1/10th the crime.

First of all, that means it's full of yuppie latte liberal types I despise. And second, why should you have to go through the trouble and cost of a ferry every time you want to go to the city center?

No, Vashon is inhabited by dirty island hippies. You know, like Gabu!