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bgwah
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« on: December 16, 2009, 02:34:28 AM »

Giovanni is being charged under Section 1, Clause 3 of the Consolidated Criminal Justice Act.
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bgwah
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« Reply #1 on: December 17, 2009, 11:37:09 PM »

At 4:07 PM EST on December 15th 2009, Giovanni, under the account "Farmer-Labour," registered a second account in Atlasia--a crime under Section 1, Clause 3 of the Consolidated Criminal Justice Act. Within an hour he was exposed and only then did he admit to being Giovanni later that day:

As many of you have suspected, I am the poster known as Giovanni from.... a month ago....but please listen to this first. I feel like I will be able to redeem myself, much like BenConstine, and Xahar.

A month ago, I attempted to switch Giovanni account's email to an email address that actually did not work. I attempted to switch it back, and I got the message saying "Your email has been changed, you will receive an email shorty." and it never came. And I had just been elected Mideast Assemblyman (which I still have not been sworn in for) so, I was justifiably pissed in my opinion.

So I created a new account, and for a second I though "Hey! Why don't I try playing the game from the other side of the fence!" Obviously, a very bad idea, and I recognize and apologize for committing this deed. Any posts that Farmer-Labour has created, please ignore them, I don't really mean any of them. You have to admit though, I played a pretty good Socialist. Wink

I apologize to anybody who was affected negatively by the fake Farmer-Labour acct. From now on, I shall continue to participate on Atlas as my true self, Giovanni. I hope all who now have a lesser opinion of me, I will be able to win back over in the future. Any Gio-thrashing is wholeheartedly deserved by myself.

The defense will likely claim that Giovanni only did this because he could not access his original account.

But if that were the case, why did Giovanni not just say who he truly was with his second account? Why did he pretend to be a different person? A person who was new to Atlasia, as shown here?  Why didn't he simply explain what happened and retain his original identity?

Instead, Giovanni created a new identity--Farmer-Labour. Giovanni deleted his post registering this second account after being exposed. This is the behavior of someone who knew they were breaking the law and were attempting to delete the evidence. However, the evidence survives in this quote. In the first quote posted, he even admits it was a "very bad idea." He mentions reverting to his "true self," further evidence that he knowingly created and registered multiple identities.
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bgwah
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« Reply #2 on: December 17, 2009, 11:44:44 PM »

Considering that the defense as witnesses, do you, Bgwah, have witnesses of your own you'd like to call before I turn to the defense?

Yes, I would like to call Inks.LWC to the stand.
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bgwah
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« Reply #3 on: December 18, 2009, 01:48:57 AM »

I have no questions.
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bgwah
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« Reply #4 on: December 19, 2009, 09:50:41 PM »

Al, did Giovanni ever mention to you why he created a second account acting like he was a completely different person instead of simply saying he was Giovanni and that he could not access his first account?
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bgwah
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« Reply #5 on: December 20, 2009, 04:15:53 AM »

Thank you. I have no further questions for the witness.
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bgwah
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« Reply #6 on: December 26, 2009, 03:44:16 AM »

Dave had told me he was merging Giovanni and Farmer-Labour, so I had figured it wouldn't matter if I registered, and it would almost be treated like a move. If I had known Giovanni could be salvaged, I would not have acted like my Quasi-Socialist persona.

Dave told you he was merging your account yet you then justify your actions by saying you only did what you did because you did not think your old account could be salvaged-- this is highly contradictory.

There is nothing illegal about acting like a different person. Since I had thought Giovanni had been inaccesible, I figured "Hey! Wouldn't it be cool to act like somebody else?" Nothing wrong about that.

Registering two accounts most certainly is illegal, as Atlasia v. Devilman88 shows. You're resting your entire case on the fact that you supposedly lost your password, so the fact that you registered your second account with a whole new identity most certainly is relevant.

You did not respond to Inks to protect your second identity. If you thought it was going to end soon, why so secretive? Because you knew you were breaking the law?

Why did you only admit to registering a second account after being exposed the moderators? Because you knew you were breaking the law and were trying to cover your tracks?

Why did you delete your second registration? Because you knew you were breaking the law and were trying to remove evidence?
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bgwah
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« Reply #7 on: December 26, 2009, 08:18:23 PM »

Then I have another question for Giovanni.

Can you clarify why you could not access your account? I feel like I'm missing something here--If you merely changed e-mails and did not receive an e-mail confirmation, yet didn't lose your password (?), why couldn't you log in under your main account anyway? Wouldn't the password and account name be all you need?
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bgwah
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« Reply #8 on: December 30, 2009, 04:01:10 PM »

I asked two more questions, no? Smiley
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bgwah
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« Reply #9 on: January 01, 2010, 12:41:29 AM »

And if I may ask one last question:

I don't see how it could be voter fraud. My real account, Giovanni was unable to work for me, so It's not like I could vote twice or something. Do I agree that I deserve some sort of punishment? Yes. But not voter fraud.

You say you deserve some sort of punishment. This suggests you think you did in fact do something illegal, simply not what you're being charged with.

If not for voter fraud, what do you deserve punishment for? What law do you think you broke?
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bgwah
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« Reply #10 on: January 01, 2010, 07:59:50 PM »

Thank you. I have no further questions for the witness.
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bgwah
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« Reply #11 on: January 03, 2010, 05:28:48 AM »

The facts are clear and undeniable. At 4:07 PM EST on December 15th 2009, Giovanni, under the account "Farmer-Labour," registered a second account in Atlasia. This is clearly a crime under Section 1, Clause 3 of the Consolidated Criminal Justice Act.

The defense has rested their entire case on the fact that Giovanni could not access his original account. The defense is attempting to cleverly world their statements to allow a guilty man go free, switching from the terms “primary account” and “primary identity” within a sentence.

But the defendant didn’t tell us that he could not access his main account. He didn’t create a second account named something like “Giovanni 2” explaining why he had to make a new account. Surely we would have understood his situation. He could have confirmed that he was in fact Giovanni via other methods, such as instant messenger or e-mail if there was any doubt concerning whether or not he was in fact the real Giovanni. He could have gone into the registration thread and asked what the appropriate course of action would be, and likely would have been allowed to register a second account as long as it was clear that he would be updating the registration of the Giovanni identity. I certainly would not have prosecuted him for this and I don’t think any jury would convict him for it.

Instead, he deceived us and created the Farmer-Labour identity. He not only registered a second account, but a second identity and yes that is relevant. By not telling us he was Giovanni, he acted in a way that made two of his identity's accounts registered simultaneously. Josh/Devilman88 registered a second account & identity and was found guilty. It would be unjust to find one defendant guilty and another innocent for what is a similar crime.

This trial concerns one of the most important laws in Atlasia and it is critical that it be upheld. Even the defendant himself has said he should be punished.
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