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memphis
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« on: December 21, 2011, 11:05:00 AM »

You guys have all missed the big story. For some reason, Donald Trump is polling at 19% as a third party candidate... polling even better than Ron Paul! I'm sorry but who the hell would vote for Donald Trump at this point? I don't get it.
People like celebrities. It may surprise you to hear, there was a bad actor a while back who actually became governor of California.
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« Reply #1 on: December 21, 2011, 05:47:26 PM »

Obama will receive close the same percentage most Democrats receive of the white vote, not everyone votes based on race, Republicans shouldn't count on that.

The approvals tell it all, only 35% approve of Romney, while Obama is at 45%. Even if you assume all of those with no opinion would magically approve of Romney, the difference wouldn't be much and we all know everyone with no opinion will approve of him.

It has nothing to do with race. In the aggregate, Democrats performed far below Dukakis levels with whites in 2010.
Thing is the Dems don't need to do much better than Dukakis with whites. It'd be nice if they did, but the 2012 electorate is not the 1988 electorate. If you take Dukakis's percentes from the 1988 exit polling with self-described whites, blacks, hispanics, and others and move them into the 2008 electorate, Dukakis is at 49% nationwide. And that was back in 2008. 2012 will continue the trend of a browner electorate. The GOP has to win more and more whites every election just to break even unless they're willing to change their policies. How long do you think this is sustainable? The GOP is headed for long term minority status that will cling to the filibuster as their only tool. The Dems would be wise to go ahead and abolish it if they are in control at the beginning of the next Congress.
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« Reply #2 on: December 21, 2011, 08:58:43 PM »

The full third candidate results:

43 Obama
41 Romney
9 Johnson

42 Obama
37 Romney
17 Paul

43 Obama
41 Romney
8 Bloomberg

43 Obama
37 Romney
11 Huntsman

45 Obama
31 Romney
19 Trump

42 Obama
42 Romney
7 Sanders

44 Obama
43 Romney
4 Anderson
People always get cold feet with the third parties. They say they will but all except the true fringe understand that voting third party helps the major party they like least. Which is why, for better or worse, the two party system is so entrenched.
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