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Coldstream
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« on: June 04, 2020, 01:08:39 PM »
« edited: June 04, 2020, 01:18:37 PM by Coldstream »

If we could appoint someone Vice President, I'd probably pick Susan Rice.

But alas, electability is important. And so is experience.

And the only person who fits both is Kamala Harris.

Biden/Harris 2020

How is Rice, someone who was at Cabinet level for 8 years, less experienced than a former state AG who has only been in the Senate minority for 4? How is Harris "the only person" who is both electable (this is questionable in her case anyway) and sufficiently experienced?

They are talking about politically experienced. Rice has never run for office before. When was the last time a VP candidate’s first run for office was as VP? Sargent Shriver? Henry Wallace?
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Coldstream
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« Reply #1 on: June 04, 2020, 01:20:10 PM »

They are talking about politically experienced. Rice has never run for office before. When was the last time a VP candidate’s first run for office was as VP? Has that happened ever?
Sargent Shriver in '72 had never held elected office. He's the only one in recent memory, though both H.W. Bush and Cheney had been out of elected office for more than a decade when they became VP. There's also Stockdale and LeMay, if you want to count either of them as major VP candidates.

Yeah I edited it when I thought of him, Henry Wallace in 1940 too. But the point is it’s been a long time. Also 1972 was exceptional circumstances.
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Coldstream
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« Reply #2 on: June 04, 2020, 01:57:32 PM »

They are talking about politically experienced. Rice has never run for office before. When was the last time a VP candidate’s first run for office was as VP? Has that happened ever?
Sargent Shriver in '72 had never held elected office. He's the only one in recent memory, though both H.W. Bush and Cheney had been out of elected office for more than a decade when they became VP. There's also Stockdale and LeMay, if you want to count either of them as major VP candidates.

Yeah I edited it when I thought of him, Henry Wallace in 1940 too. But the point is it’s been a long time. Also 1972 was exceptional circumstances.

I'd just like to point out 72 didn't necessarily go well and Shriver was an emergency "our original pick ended up being mentally ill" pick. I guess you can argue the only non experienced VP candidate who ended up being successful is Papi Bush because he was added to balance the ticket with FoPo experience a difference between Bush and Susan Rice is Bush had made a name for himself in the primaries in 1980 by winning Iowa and few other states. Susan Rice isn't very well known.

Bush had also been in Congress and run for the senate twice. Rice’s issue isn’t just that she’s never held elected office it’s that she’s never even run.
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