BREAKING: Cruz and Sanders to debate Obamacare on CNN Next Tuesday

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Man you gotta love Bernie! Too bad most hackish Democrats on this forum were blinded by their Clinton obsession to realize what a good general election candidate he could be.

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BTW, HRC tended to win her debates against Sanders. Then again, she also DESTROYED Trump during the first debate. Did not help Her.

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In short: Lyin' Ted and Crazy Bernie both live up to their names. Both support importation of prescription drugs from Canada (as do I).

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This debate has something that was completely missing from the Presidential general election. Discussion of issues.

Not that hard this time with no Trump. Sanders and Cruz are both awful senators with awful ideas but they at least know their issues well enough.

No Clinton either, all she had were platitudes.

She didn't have people call Melania a rapist or threaten to jail Trump.

-She did say he was Putin's puppet, though, and that he called some Venezuelan wh*re fat.

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Man you gotta love Bernie! Too bad most hackish Democrats on this forum were blinded by their Clinton obsession to realize what a good general election candidate he could be.

If someone tries to use the "electability" argument during the 2020 primaries, we should all laugh in their faces.

Ironically it was them pushing he most unpopular Democratic candidate in US history just to lose.

-You can thank Blacks, Hispanics, and the elderly for that.

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This debate has something that was completely missing from the Presidential general election. Discussion of issues.

Not that hard this time with no Trump. Sanders and Cruz are both awful senators with awful ideas but they at least know their issues well enough.

No Clinton either, all she had were platitudes.

She didn't have people call Melania a rapist or threaten to jail Trump.

-She did say he was Putin's puppet, though, and that he called some Venezuelan wh*re fat.

And both of those things are true.

-Only the second.

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This debate has something that was completely missing from the Presidential general election. Discussion of issues.

Not that hard this time with no Trump. Sanders and Cruz are both awful senators with awful ideas but they at least know their issues well enough.

No Clinton either, all she had were platitudes.

Platitudes like free tuition college and medicare for all?

-These are very simple concepts people can wrap their mind around. They're goals, not platitudes.

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Interestingly, Ted Cruz's plan does not touch Obamacare's changes to Medicare and Medicaid, only removes Obamacare rules on the individual market:

http://www.vox.com/2016/11/17/13626438/obamacare-replacement-plans-comparison

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Jesus Christ why do people insist on relitigating the primary? Living in yesteryear does absolutely nothing to advance progressive causes.

Anyways, I thought they both did what they usually did well but like I expected, Cruz never addressed what would happen to people who got healthcare, and Bernie failed to clearly articulate how he's gonna pay for Medicare-for-all.

The Clintons set progressive causes back decades, so I'm damn interested in having them not have control of the party any more.

I think Clintons were toxic for Democrats, they couldn't shake of the skeletons but explain how it set progressive causes back?

Bill Clinton didn't attempt to move the country to the left the slightest after his first 2 years in office, and that 2 years included him getting a Democratic Congress to pass NAFTA. He has a long list of right-wing accomplishments, such as repealing Glass Steagal, telecommuncations deregulation, welfare reform, the Mickey Mouse copyright act, and numerous others. When he took office, the Democrats had had the House for 38 years. In the over 22 years since he lost it 2 years later, they've had it just 4 years. The party has had huge losses in state and local governments since then, too. Bill Clinton's 1996 re-election was such a utter disgrace, with DOMA, V-chips, and being open to abortion limitations being what he ran on.

And in 2016, they had the party take down an actual progressive, talked to Trump right before he announced, had the media give extra coverage to Trump, and managed to out Dewey Tom Dewey in losing to Trump.

-Nobody forced millions of Blacks, Hispanics, and elderly to nominate Crooked Hillary. They did it themselves. WJC remains the last Democratic presidential candidate to win Kentucky.

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I owe jfern an apology. He was right, I was wrong. Clinton was a 3rd way candidate. The country has been waiting for the Democratic party to abandon 3rd way politics for well over a decade now, and the present situation is the result of the Democrats, repeatedly failing to rise to the challenge. However, I would say the main blame goes to the likable Obama, rather than Hillary. Obama papered over the problems with his two wins and allowed the party to avoid the day of reckoning. The Democrats must abandon 3rd way politics. I only hope it is not too late. Trumpist politics is truly frightening, particularly for the marginalized.

-Whoa

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Jesus Christ why do people insist on relitigating the primary? Living in yesteryear does absolutely nothing to advance progressive causes.

Anyways, I thought they both did what they usually did well but like I expected, Cruz never addressed what would happen to people who got healthcare, and Bernie failed to clearly articulate how he's gonna pay for Medicare-for-all.

The Clintons set progressive causes back decades, so I'm damn interested in having them not have control of the party any more.

I think Clintons were toxic for Democrats, they couldn't shake of the skeletons but explain how it set progressive causes back?

Bill Clinton didn't attempt to move the country to the left the slightest after his first 2 years in office, and that 2 years included him getting a Democratic Congress to pass NAFTA. He has a long list of right-wing accomplishments, such as repealing Glass Steagal, telecommuncations deregulation, welfare reform, the Mickey Mouse copyright act, and numerous others. When he took office, the Democrats had had the House for 38 years. In the over 22 years since he lost it 2 years later, they've had it just 4 years. The party has had huge losses in state and local governments since then, too. Bill Clinton's 1996 re-election was such a utter disgrace, with DOMA, V-chips, and being open to abortion limitations being what he ran on.

And in 2016, they had the party take down an actual progressive, talked to Trump right before he announced, had the media give extra coverage to Trump, and managed to out Dewey Tom Dewey in losing to Trump.

-Nobody forced millions of Blacks, Hispanics, and elderly to nominate Crooked Hillary. They did it themselves. WJC remains the last Democratic presidential candidate to win Kentucky.

No one forced anyone to vote for Trump either, but I digress.

-True. I voted for him both in the primary and general.