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brucejoel99
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« on: December 20, 2019, 07:03:28 PM »

Sheer insanity is nothing worth celebrating.
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brucejoel99
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« Reply #1 on: December 20, 2019, 07:23:45 PM »

Sheer insanity is nothing worth celebrating.

I think the UK should have closer economic ties to the US than EU as well and that will be more beneficial and the US won’t violate UK sovereignty unlike the EU

Disregarding your nonsensical assertion about the EU violating the UK's sovereignty (which is nationalist bulls**t), what you "think" doesn't matter. The facts matter. And the facts are that the EU has done more for the UK's economy than the US ever could/would.
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brucejoel99
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« Reply #2 on: December 21, 2019, 02:40:17 AM »

The people have spoken. This might have ended differently if Labour wasn't determined to carry out their murder-suicide pact.

Losing an election doesn't mean that you have to sit quietly on the sideline while the winning party makes decisions that you believe are plainly wrong. That's not how democracy works. The opposition is represented in Parliament & is part of the governing structure, just like the winning party. The opposition has the right to participate in, object to, & even block government decisions (if they can), even if they weren't the winning party. Anything less would be undemocratic.

Sheer insanity is nothing worth celebrating.

I think the UK should have closer economic ties to the US than EU as well and that will be more beneficial and the US won’t violate UK sovereignty unlike the EU

Disregarding your nonsensical assertion about the EU violating the UK's sovereignty (which is nationalist bulls**t), what you "think" doesn't matter. The facts matter. And the facts are that the EU has done more for the UK's economy than the US ever could/would.

Nationalist bs lol .

How is Foreign nations passing laws that override laws that you passed not violating sovereignty
 
How is allowing foreign nations to decide your immigration policy not a violation of sovereignty



All the EU should be is NAFTA if Europe , nothing more nothing less

Lol "passing laws that override laws that you passed?" "Decide your immigration policy?" What!?

Seriously, what the hell are you talking about?

Every significant British government decision, from military & defense spending (the wars in Iraq/Afghanistan/"on terror") & healthcare (nationalized, privatized, semi-privatized/single-payer) to welfare (child & unemployment benefits, social housing, disability payments) & foreign aid (on which Britain is, by far, the biggest spender on in the EU), is under the absolute control of the British government. Beyond the (comparatively) minuscule EU contribution, every Treasury expenditure, every government priority, & every organ of state is controlled purely & entirely domestically.

If the EU is a sovereignty violator, then it's the nicest, least involved, least intrusive sovereignty violator in history. And no, free movement doesn't violate sovereignty; at least, no more so than the Common Travel Area with Ireland violates the UK's sovereignty, or the Trans-Tasman Travel Agreement violates Australian sovereignty.

Of course, you can legitimately argue that the EU has perhaps adopted excessive laws & regulations, but you just can't argue that those decisions were somehow taken without British participation, in such a fashion that Britain, through the exercising of its sovereignty, agreed to participate.

Sheer insanity is nothing worth celebrating.

I think the UK should have closer economic ties to the US than EU as well and that will be more beneficial and the US won’t violate UK sovereignty unlike the EU

Disregarding your nonsensical assertion about the EU violating the UK's sovereignty (which is nationalist bulls**t), what you "think" doesn't matter. The facts matter. And the facts are that the EU has done more for the UK's economy than the US ever could/would.

Nationalist bs lol .

How is Foreign nations passing laws that override laws that you passed not violating sovereignty
 
How is allowing foreign nations to decide your immigration policy not a violation of sovereignty
TIL that the UK was forced into being part of the EU.

tHe Uk jOiNeD tHe Eu UnDeR fAlSe PrEtEnSeS; tHeY wErE tRiCkEd InTo JoInInG aNd ThE rUlEs ChAnGeD aLoNg ThE wAy.
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