Southern Chamber of Delegates Thread-Introduce Legislation Here

[JustinTimeCuber]

I think we should vote because "next week" starts tomorrow.

[JustinTimeCuber]

Do we need a new Deputy Speaker?

Also, guys, seriously? We've only gotten through one bill in almost four weeks.

[JustinTimeCuber]

Also, guys, seriously? We've only gotten through one bill in four weeks.

[JustinTimeCuber]

A-F**KING-HEM EVERYONE

[JustinTimeCuber]

Which rules are we operating under? Jbrase hasn't responded to the court case yet.

[JustinTimeCuber]

Amendment to Article IV, Section 1 of the Southern Constitution-

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I will be willing to go down, but I think this would help increase interest in running and would give the Chamber time to do things.

Are you assuming you're elected, or are you looking for a sponsor? I'd be willing to sponsor this if you make it an odd number, preferably 7 or just leave it at 5.

[JustinTimeCuber]

Is this okay? I think it was Fremont that did something like this.

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Sponsor: JustinTimeCuber on behalf of diptheriadan

[JustinTimeCuber]

Pre-filing the following legislation:

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Sponsor: JustinTimeCuber

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Sponsor: JustinTimeCuber on behalf of diptheriadan

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Sponsor: JustinTimeCuber

[JustinTimeCuber]

Why do you support telling sick old grandmothers that they have to suffer thought a terminal illness? Sounds like you're the "sick cruel hearted bastard". If you're going to resort to stupid personal attacks, kindly f off

I'd listen to your argument if you didn't use said personal attacks.

[JustinTimeCuber]

Why do you support telling sick old grandmothers that they have to suffer thought a terminal illness? Sounds like you're the "sick cruel hearted bastard". If you're going to resort to stupid personal attacks, kindly f off

I'd listen to your argument if you didn't use said personal attacks.

She does not have to suffer through her horrible illness. There is something called palliative care. My great grandmother befrore she passed away last year had palliative care treatment. The doctors and others brought what she needed to our home so she could die in peace. One way that suicide is immoral and specifically doctor assisted suicide is because it degrades the human person and their human rights. It violates the doctrine of human rights passed by the United Nations that guarantees the right to life for every individual. It proclaims the fundamental rights of the human person, including respect for his dignity and his value. It also violates the International Medical Code of Ethics which doctors swear to protect human life. The act of suicide whether it is by a doctor or by oneself is taking away a human life, you are literally killing somebody. In the modern day our medicine has advanced so much that pain can be taken away through morphine. With greater access to palliative care one does not have to suffer intolerably like you are saying. An example of this is with some old people, they may request PAS because they don't want to a burden on their caretakers or they might not want to bring their family into deep financial debt even though they are going to die. So they take the cheap pill and get it over with. This just devalues human life it makes us as a people less caring because we can kill one another. It gives unprecedented power to physicians to kill a patient. An example of this is the arguement against the death penalty, when in the past some people have been wrongly executed. Some people, while very few of them, can be given wrong diagnosis and some might decide to have PAS when they might not have that illness. I'd love to work to create better access to palliative care but the legalization of killing sick, old and helpless people is immoral and reprehensible and that's why I said that to you.

Do you have the right to free speech? Yes, totally. Can I force you to go on the streets and protest?

What's the POINT of keeping someone alive to suffer greatly, if you know they will die anyway. People should be allowed to make the decision of what to do at that point, not the big government which you say you're against.

[JustinTimeCuber]

Let's do better

Pre-filing this, and withdrawing other version.

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Wanna put this 2nd in the queue so

1. Trannies are people act
2. This
3. Rich CEOs sûk act
4. Reducing Electoral Accountability Amendment
5. Freesh**t 4 workers
6. Killing grandmas act

[JustinTimeCuber]

if you're talking about the legislative assembly thing; that's Single Transferrable Vote and not AV - there are still online calculators that exist but they are all awful (they force you to enter each vote separately without any way to double check things, plus they actually don't transfer things properly so you end up having votes transferring to candidates that are already over the surplus but haven't had their votes transferred yet: which only ends up unfairly devaluing some peoples votes because their votes end up going to two other candidates that don't need them with decreases their value incorrectly) so doing it by hand is probably a better method.

Full discretion is given to the Election Administrator.

[JustinTimeCuber]

I refuse to vote for that bill as it is currently written, we shouldn't endorse sexism

[JustinTimeCuber]

I wrote that language and didn't intend for it to be strictly implemented in the way you're suggesting.
Fine, I'll make a deal. We alternate starting with my first bill, then your first, then my second, etc.

[JustinTimeCuber]

It's your legislation, Mr. Cuber. You insisted that I pull up the injunction and allow the bill to pass. I have done exactly what you asked for.

If you wish to amend the bill to reflect your wishes, you'll get a shot at that in the opening of the new session.

As I've kept saying, you had no injunction order. I merely asked for you to stop insisting you had one.

But you know what, fine. I'm tired of f**king arguing with you. Have it f**king your way.

1: Electoral System Clarification Act (JustinTimeCuber)
2: Act to revise Bill 2's 'revision to the rules of the chamber of delegates' (Ben Kenobi)
3: Clean Energy Bill (Ben Kenobi, fhtagn)
4: Daylight Savings Time Abolition Act (Ben Kenobi)
5: Prohibtion with Companies that Boycott Israel (Ben Kenobi)
6: Establishment of Southern Regional Medical Center (Ben Kenobi)
7: Southern Defense Act (Ben Kenobi)
8: Promotion of Southern Culture in Literature Act (Ben Kenobi)
9: Southern Reinvestment, Redevelopment, and Conservation Act of 2017 (Ben Kenobi)
10: Southern Families Act (Ben Kenobi)
11: Beards are our friends (Ben Kenobi)
12. Transgender Rights Act (JustinTimeCuber)
13. Income Inequality Reduction Act (JustinTimeCuber)
14. Amendment to Article IV, Sections 1-3 of the Southern Constitution (JustinTimeCuber)
15. Minimum Wage Commission Act (JustinTimeCuber)
16. Euthanasia Ban Repeal Act (JustinTimeCuber)

S1 is ESCA because Peebs initially certified the election results before that, and Ben's injunction was just an application, as he admitted himself:

I am hereby revoking my application for an injunction against bill 2 of the Southern delegates.

Hey I thought I was some liberal hack who would never admit a conservative is right about something. Eh? Okay, usually, but I put my attention to the letter of the rules before my political hackery, unlike some of my fellow Atlasians who would prefer to use such attention to detail only when it is convenient.
And to be SUPER clear, I am gonna say this again, I am pre-filing S12-S16 as labeled above.

[JustinTimeCuber]

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The final election results were correct and were not certified until after.

Therefore

1: Act to revise Bill 2's 'revision to the rules of the chamber of delegates' (Ben Kenobi)
2: Clean Energy Bill (Ben Kenobi, fhtagn)
3: Daylight Savings Time Abolition Act (Ben Kenobi)
4: Prohibtion with Companies that Boycott Israel (Ben Kenobi)
5: Establishment of Southern Regional Medical Center (Ben Kenobi)
6: Southern Defense Act (Ben Kenobi)
7: Promotion of Southern Culture in Literature Act (Ben Kenobi)
8: Southern Reinvestment, Redevelopment, and Conservation Act of 2017 (Ben Kenobi)
9: Southern Families Act (Ben Kenobi)
10: Beards are our friends (Ben Kenobi)

My election was certified before I filed the ESCA. "Upon the certification...", well, I was certified.

This is how you prefile legislation Cuber. Individually.

According to whom? To you? What rule says that?
Here's the real queue for all interested parties.

1: Electoral System Clarification Act (JustinTimeCuber)
2: Act to revise Bill 2's 'revision to the rules of the chamber of delegates' (Ben Kenobi)
3: Clean Energy Bill (Ben Kenobi, fhtagn)
4: Daylight Savings Time Abolition Act (Ben Kenobi)
5: Prohibtion with Companies that Boycott Israel (Ben Kenobi)
6: Establishment of Southern Regional Medical Center (Ben Kenobi)
7: Southern Defense Act (Ben Kenobi)
8: Promotion of Southern Culture in Literature Act (Ben Kenobi)
9: Southern Reinvestment, Redevelopment, and Conservation Act of 2017 (Ben Kenobi)
10: Southern Families Act (Ben Kenobi)
11: Beards are our friends (Ben Kenobi)
12. Transgender Rights Act (JustinTimeCuber)
13. Income Inequality Reduction Act (JustinTimeCuber)
14. Amendment to Article IV, Sections 1-3 of the Southern Constitution (JustinTimeCuber)
15. Minimum Wage Commission Act (JustinTimeCuber)
16. Euthanasia Ban Repeal Act (JustinTimeCuber)
17. Southern Remembrance Act (Ben Kenobi)
18. The Booth Day Act (Ben Kenobi)

Please, to my fellow Laborites, we can't let a minority Delegate brainwash us into the FAKE NEWS (sad!) of Ben's special safe space queue.

Ben shouldn't complain when 10 out of the first 11 items on the queue were sponsored by him.

I might just help out the next Speaker by maintaining a fair and accurate queue. I don't know, it depends on whether the Honorable Delegate from the Great State of Texas is willing to proceed fairly, in which case it would be unnecessary.

[JustinTimeCuber]

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Actually, no you were not.

Until the results were correctly certified, nobody was actually certified. That's how election certifications work.

Ergo, you, nor anyone could prefile legislation under bill 2 until the election results were correctly certified. You jumped the gun Mr. Cuber and your haste cost you. Who's to decide what "correctly certified" means? It's not my duty to check each ballot and the math of the Election Secretary. I was certified, then that certification was changed.

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All legislation since forever is posted individually as separate bills as you already did earlier up in the thread. Precedent =/= rules, Ben. Precedent definitely doesn't supersede rules.

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It is *your* rules, Mr. Cuber. I'm surprised you are arguing against yourself. I'm not. Under *my*
 rules, the queue is as I posted.

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I believe I warned you not to do this a month ago. I specifically criticized eliminating carrying over bills from a previous session. Well that's stupid, because I don't think the 2019 South should potentially be considering bills from May 2018 or something.

[JustinTimeCuber]

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Are you suggesting that someone through an error, was declared to be elected when they weren't actually elected be considered a delegate-elect? During the hour or so that the error was in place,
 yes, I believe for CoD purposes he/she would be a Delegate-elect, but not anymore.

That makes no sense to me. Therefore, certification would be the correct and not the incorrect certification. Which means that your bill is introduced, and not pre-filed, as Peebs correct election certification occurred after your bill was filed. My initial certification occurred before the filing of S1.

Your rules, Mr. Cuber. This has never been significant before, but that is what Bill 2 does.

Also, please consider the evidence. You posted legislation last night that you declared 'pre filed' long before the election was certified.

You were clearly unaware of your own rules were before I told you. It's plain as day. Without checking, what does the 7th paragraph of your free range prisons bill? Eh?

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Legislative continuity is an important feature. Anyways, the queue is as I stated it was, by your rules in Bill 2. No it isn't. S1 was properly filed, after my certification as Delegate. Then, you're completely leaving off the bills I re-filed after that.

Unless you're planning to amend things later, that is the rules of the game.

1. The delegates shouldn't have to judge what's a "correct" certification and what isn't. If a certification is changed, legislation prior to the change shouldn't just drop.
2. There is no rule saying that I have to file the full language of legislation if it isn't already in the thread.

[JustinTimeCuber]

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The delegates aren't the ones deciding. Peebs is. Peebs made a mistake and that mistake was rectified. The official certification came in at 12.27 atlas time, after you had submitted your bill. But when I submitted that bill, I was certified. Was I supposed to assume that that certification wouldn't count later?

Ergo, you jumped the gun. Tough luck. Read your bill more carefully next time.

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Uh, this is the internet. Are you really saying that you never actually checked your bill. Sad! I... wrote that part, but I don't check the exact wording of every bill before doing anything...

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You never actually refiled them. You sorta waved your hand around and said they were 'refiled', without actually submitting the bills.  You're just making up rules here. Who says I can't just "wave my hand" to submit bills that are already on the thread?

No one is taking you seriously, at least I hope.

[JustinTimeCuber]

I LOVE IT

Bill 16:

Amendment to the Rules and Procedure of the Southern Legislature

Sponsor: Ben Kenobi.

Bill 17:

"Income Inequality Reduction Act"

Sponsor: Ben Kenobi

etc.

You only have to go back 2 months to see this eternal precedent being broken by none other than Ben himself.

[JustinTimeCuber]

I was talking about non-hacks tbh

[JustinTimeCuber]

I was talking about non-hacks tbh

On Atlas, there is no such thing as a non-hack.

There are many compared to Delegate Ben Kenobi.
Maybe we should stop debating, just let Ben waste his time.

[JustinTimeCuber]

I'd like to cosponsor the Clean Energy Bill, the Daylight Savings Time Abolition Act, the Promotion of Southern Culture in Literature Act, and the Southern Reinvestment, Redevelopment, and Conservation Act of 2017.

[JustinTimeCuber]

I'd like to cosponsor the Clean Energy Bill, the Daylight Savings Time Abolition Act, the Promotion of Southern Culture in Literature Act, and the Southern Reinvestment, Redevelopment, and Conservation Act of 2017.

Me + Ben =

[JustinTimeCuber]

I forgot to mention it here, but Gov. Wells said that he was interested in doing a duel North-South border ceremony thing.

If you have legislation, post it here and I'll see if it seems worth sponsoring.

And here's for the sake of super duper correctness and up to dateness

1: Electoral System Clarification Act (JustinTimeCuber)
2: Act to revise Bill 2's 'revision to the rules of the chamber of delegates' (Ben Kenobi)
3: Clean Energy Bill (Ben Kenobi, fhtagn, JustinTimeCuber)
4: Daylight Savings Time Abolition Act (Ben Kenobi, JustinTimeCuber)
5: Prohibtion with Companies that Boycott Israel (Ben Kenobi)
6: Establishment of Southern Regional Medical Center (Ben Kenobi)
7: Southern Defense Act (Ben Kenobi)
8: Promotion of Southern Culture in Literature Act (Ben Kenobi, JustinTimeCuber)
9: Southern Reinvestment, Redevelopment, and Conservation Act of 2017 (Ben Kenobi, JustinTimeCuber)
10: Southern Families Act (Ben Kenobi)
11: Beards are our friends (Ben Kenobi)
12. Transgender Rights Act (JustinTimeCuber)
13. Income Inequality Reduction Act (JustinTimeCuber)
14. Amendment to Article IV, Sections 1-3 of the Southern Constitution (JustinTimeCuber)
15. Minimum Wage Commission Act (JustinTimeCuber)
16. Euthanasia Ban Repeal Act (JustinTimeCuber)
17. Southern Remembrance Act (Ben Kenobi)
18. The Booth Day Act (Ben Kenobi)

Stats for nerrrrrrrrds
7 ACP/FED
6 LAB
5 Bipartisan

e: co-sponsoring the Beards are our Friends Act because why the hell not