Alabama Megathread 2: Thou Shall Not Touch Teenage Girls

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Limbaugh's defense of Moore: he was a Democrat at the time.  

http://thehill.com/homenews/media/360346-limbaugh-moore-was-a-democrat-at-time-of-sexual-misconduct-allegations

You can't make this stuff up.  Every day I become more inclined to believe we're living in a badly-written novel.

Most Southern Democrats at the time were very conservative. They were not liberals at all. Moore was always a staunch conservative, even when he was a Democrat.

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Only on Atlas can a thread about how Alabama is going to elect a pedophile to the United States Senate turn into a discussion about what quality of poster I am. You guys are something else.

Moore's lost Hannity.

Wow. Finally a disavowal that might actually hurt Moore.

Doubt Hannity matters. You are totally right about Alabama. He will win there & comfortably (Even if you are wrong about WV).

They will just say Fox News is liberal fake news.

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Only on Atlas can a thread about how Alabama is going to elect a pedophile to the United States Senate turn into a discussion about what quality of poster I am. You guys are something else.

Moore's lost Hannity.

Wow. Finally a disavowal that might actually hurt Moore.

Doubt Hannity matters. You are totally right about Alabama. He will win there & comfortably (Even if you are wrong about WV).

I still think he'll win. Hannity disavowing could sting though. He's pretty well liked in Alabama.

Hannity disavowing won't even slightly hurt Moore.

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I don't doubt the NRSC poll at all, but there must be some motive behind it. Why else would they release an internal with their ca didate down double digits? To push Moore out? Even so, he can't be replaced on the ballot, and they also added that the results with Sessions as a write-ins are bad, so... very weird.

Maybe they do just want him to lose. They take the L and are favored in 2020.

The NRSC wants an independent conservative to run and win.

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It's clear at this point that the next senator will be either Jones or Moore.  There are no other realistic options.  I still think that Jones winning is a less bad option for the GOP in the long run.

But Moore will still win.

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Breitbart has a story that Nance's stepson says she is a liar.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/11/16/exclusive-stepson-of-roy-moore-accuser-accusations-one-hundred-percent-a-lie/

I know it is Breitbart.  But it is one more reason that the yearbook needs to be analyzed.

It seems the "different" ink color was only an optical illusion.
Picture from the conservative Washington Examiner. Same ink color.

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Jody Hice revokes endorsement of Moore.

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Some more ?s about the yearbook

Why the mention of the restaurant.  Most yearbook entries do not set out the place.

Most yearbook entries I have ever seen are not dated.   Why would a 30 year old guy note the date.

Since she claims to have been a waitress, why would he not have noted waitress rather than girl.

I have no reason to doubt the claims of the other women.

But I think there is a fair chance Gloria might well have decided to horn into all the publicity.

By not turning over the yearbook, Gloria may be giving Moore some extra wind:

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/11/17/exclusive-roy-moore-gloria-allreds-refusal-to-release-yearbook-proves-allegations-are-completely-untrue/

It's Breitbart. Even Fox News and One America News are marginally more credible than Breitbart. At least One America reported the fact that Minnesota Democratic state legislators called for Al Franken to resign.

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I mean if the choice were between a liberal who had done these things and a candidate who did not share their values I would not expect voters in, say, California to pick the Republican because it was 'the right thing to do' and then feign moral outrage and lambaste the citizens of that state for voting for their beliefs in a pragmatic fashion.

Now I personally hope this does not happen, but the attacks against the voters of Alabama by partisan hacks itt are the epitome of disingenuous. If Bob Menendez had been convicted no one here wanted him expelled immediately, and why should you have? Your party could've saved a seat by stalling for a few months, a seat critical to legislative successes in the coming year or so.

While I don't think corruption is on the same level as pedophilia, I also don't think a conviction for a crime is on the same level as being accused of a crime.

Basically stop calling people denigrating names for voting based on their beliefs and refusing to vote for someone who does not share those beliefs.

New Jersey Democrats would settle for a Christie appointee, who would lose in 2018 anyway. California Democrats would reluctantly vote for a Republican (if one makes it to a runoff, which is already unlikely, making it moot; the CA Democratic Party and DNC would even refuse to endorse their own candidate) Minnesota Democrats want Franken out. Do you get your news from Breitbart?

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I mean if the choice were between a liberal who had done these things and a candidate who did not share their values I would not expect voters in, say, California to pick the Republican because it was 'the right thing to do' and then feign moral outrage and lambaste the citizens of that state for voting for their beliefs in a pragmatic fashion.

Now I personally hope this does not happen, but the attacks against the voters of Alabama by partisan hacks itt are the epitome of disingenuous. If Bob Menendez had been convicted no one here wanted him expelled immediately, and why should you have? Your party could've saved a seat by stalling for a few months, a seat critical to legislative successes in the coming year or so.

While I don't think corruption is on the same level as pedophilia, I also don't think a conviction for a crime is on the same level as being accused of a crime.

Basically stop calling people denigrating names for voting based on their beliefs and refusing to vote for someone who does not share those beliefs.

The names people call Alabama Republicans on this forum are much nicer than the things said about liberals every day on Fox News.

Really what does Fox News call liberals?

You and others have called me a rapist a predator a right wing crazy and others.

Two of those three things are true.

I've never seen anything on Fox News (admittedly I literally only see it briefly while visiting my parents) about liberals anywhere near as insulting as this particular statement. As far as I'm aware they typically describe liberals as things like 'anti-American' or 'crazies'. Never seen people called sexual predators though outside of Bill Clinton, who almost certainly was.

Anyway if you don't like Greedo's posts just put him on ignore, the notion that you'll do anything other than make things worse by bashing and borderline verbally abusing a 16 (?) year old on the internet is lunacy.

Fox News said so many liberals were defending Harvey Weinstein when they were not.

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I mean if the choice were between a liberal who had done these things and a candidate who did not share their values I would not expect voters in, say, California to pick the Republican because it was 'the right thing to do' and then feign moral outrage and lambaste the citizens of that state for voting for their beliefs in a pragmatic fashion.

Now I personally hope this does not happen, but the attacks against the voters of Alabama by partisan hacks itt are the epitome of disingenuous. If Bob Menendez had been convicted no one here wanted him expelled immediately, and why should you have? Your party could've saved a seat by stalling for a few months, a seat critical to legislative successes in the coming year or so.

While I don't think corruption is on the same level as pedophilia, I also don't think a conviction for a crime is on the same level as being accused of a crime.

Basically stop calling people denigrating names for voting based on their beliefs and refusing to vote for someone who does not share those beliefs.

"There's nothing wrong with voting for a pedophile!!!"

We have reached peak Republican.

"You're an elitist and worse than pedophiles if you bash people that vote for pedophiles!" - Multiple Atlas users have said unironically.

No, you're not. Youre just the reason that liberals are despised by a vast swath of the country.

Obama never bashed folks who disagreed with him, he rallied his supporters to talk to them and try to give them hope for the future.

I think Clinton took the party to an unfortunate place that has shifted it from one distasteful based on policy to one despised based on culture by rural America. Maybe that will be enough to win given high liberal turnout next November; for the sake of those on Medicaid I hope so. But I have my doubts that Democrats will ever win anywhere near the majorities they won during the Obama years while they insist on treating those with different beliefs like universal trailer trash. In many ways, your self-defeatism in places like West Virginia is a self-fulfilling prophecy.

People who rationalize voting for pedophiles deserve to be bashed. They're objectively deplorables. Sorry, you can't handwave it away with "muh beliefs and muh culture."

And if bashing pedo voters makes them despise you, then so be it. It's not as if voters that tribal and hackish were ever winnable to begin with.

There's an argument to be made that anyone who defends Roy Moore is a predator.

Once again how am I a predator?

Would any of you conservatives vote for Libertarian Ron Bishop (L) (write-in) or anti-Moore Christian conservative Mac Watson (R) (write-in) over Moore?

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Can everyone, namely those on the left and those who oppose sexual predation of minors, stop lighting their hair on fire? The election isn't Tuesday. It's 22 days from now, so calm the f-ck down. The allegations aren't going to get any better as time goes on and many of the typical support mechanisms that helped save Trump aren't there for Moore. The only thing Moore has going for him is Alabama's natural Republican hue. Governor Ivey isn't worried about having a Republican in the Senate as much as she is having to secure her own election next year.

My hair's never been on fire though. I've always known this was safe R.

And Trump was running nationwide, not in Alabama.

I also said safe R (Moore, not Watson or another Republican).

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yeah I'd rather Jones stand by his convictions. a Pro-life Democrat could easily lose as well considering conservative GOPers will just find some other reason not to vote for Jones.

Prosecuting the surviving church bombers.

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yeah I'd rather Jones stand by his convictions. a Pro-life Democrat could easily lose as well considering conservative GOPers will just find some other reason not to vote for Jones.

Prosecuting the surviving church bombers.

That’s a horrible thing to say.

There might be enough of those crazy people (KKK members and supporters) who will vote for Moore. In a sane electorate, voters would vote for Jones by a wide margin, who prosecuted the surviving UKA KKK members in Birmingham.

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There are now 7 candidates in the race. Chanda Mills Crutcher (I), a social conservative, is in.

Candidates:
Roy Moore (R)
Doug Jones (D)
Mack Mcbride (I)
Ron Bishop (L)
Eulas Kirtdoll (I)
Mac Watson (R)
Chanda Mills Crutcher (I)

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How rich for a criminal such as Trump, to say Doug Jones is weak on crime. I guess prosecuting Ku Klux Klan members who killed black children does not count because of who the victims are. This man is a literal piece of sh**t.

Roy Moore is weak on crime. In many cases where a court rejected to overturn or decided to reinstate a prison sentence of a child molester, Moore was the lone dissenter.

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Independent Lee Busby is in.

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There are now 6 write-in candidates:
Chanda Mills Crutcher (I)
Ron Bishop (L)
Eulas Kirtdoll (I)
Mac Watson (R)
Lee Busby (R)
Mack McBride (I)

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The denial is still strong with some, but seems like most are finally coming to terms with this race. People deluded themselves because of Vitter/Edwards, but Alabama cannot really be compared with Louisiana. A Democrat was never going to win there.

I always knew Moore was going to win. Texas, Louisiana, and South Carolina are far more winnable for Democrats than Alabama.

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Jeff Coggin in.

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There are now 9 candidates, an unusually high number for Alabama.

Candidates:
Roy Moore (R)
Doug Jones (D)
Mack McBride (I)
Ron Bishop (L)
Eulas Kirtdoll (I)
Mac Watson (R)
Chanda Mills Crutcher (I)
Lee Busby (R)
Jeff Coggin (I)