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MarkD
Junior Chimp
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« on: May 13, 2017, 09:12:47 PM »

Given the fact that the SCOTUS has been using patently erroneous "interpretations" of the Due Process Clause and the Equal Protection Clause of the 14th Amendment to contradict (strike down) the laws of the state governments that have dealt with birth control, abortion, childbirth out of marriage, and "sodomy" (a.k.a., gay and lesbian relations), it's pretty obvious that our opinions on those topics do not matter. And the SCOTUS still could seize control of most of those other issues too by continuing to extrapolate its erroneous "interpretations" of those two clauses. The SCOTUS could overturn its 19th Century decisions upholding laws that banned polygamy; it could overturn its 1981 decision about teenage sex (upholding a state law that made it illegal for a teenage boy to have sex with a teenage girl, but not vice versa). The SCOTUS can strike down ANY state law five or more Justices do not like. So do our opinions on these topics matter at all?
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MarkD
Junior Chimp
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« Reply #1 on: June 01, 2017, 12:37:07 AM »

I had a rant about the whole topic of this thread on Page 1, and I can see it went over like a lead balloon. I bring it up again because, given how I feel the SCOTUS has been abusing the meaning of the 14th Amendment, these three topics are pretty closely related.

Retro's ratings:

Birth control: Very highly support. An unwanted, and for that matter, even a wanted child uses up so much money, time, effort, space, and stress. Birth control should be extremely cheap and possibly free at colleges and high schools.

Gay or lesbian relations: Agents of the devil! Jk, how is this a question? It's as if someone asked "left-handed people?" They're not doing anything wrong and it's biologically normal to have a spectrum of sexual orientations.

Having a baby outside of marriage: It depends on if it's a successful single parent (which I have no problem with) or an irresponsible trash couple who now find themselves with a new problem (disapprove). Sometimes I wonder if it's best to have a permit system where you have to meet several requirements in order to have a child. It's really not fair to the child if they're going to grow up unloved and in difficult circumstances.


The Supreme Court's rulings on contraceptives -- Griswold v. Connecticut, Eisenstadt v. Baird, and Carey v. Population Services Int'l -- were a crucial precedents that led the way to, and were cited by the Court in, Lawrence v. Texas, which declared that "sodomy" is a constitutional right (for everyone). But, there's also a line of several Supreme Court cases on the topic of equal rights for illegitimate children -- Levy v. Louisiana, Glona v. American Guaranty and Liability Co., Labine v. Vincent, Weber v. Aetna Casualty and Surety Co., and several more cases that were handed down through the 1970s and into the early 1980s -- and without those precedents, it would have been unlikely that the Court would have ever addressed gay rights at all. Not favorably. After all, there is something in common between being gay and being an illegitimate children: you can't help it that you have these descriptions, you were born that way, it's not your fault if you are. But there is also an issue of sexual mores that is at stake with both categories (gayness and illegitimacy of childbirth). If you care to see Labine v. Vincent -- especially the dissenting opinion by Justice Brennan, first paragraph -- you'll see a remarkable degree of similarity between being gay and being an illegitimate child. I noticed the similarity about 23 years ago, the first time I read Brennan's dissent in Labine.
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MarkD
Junior Chimp
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« Reply #2 on: June 03, 2017, 06:23:39 AM »

What I struggle with here - and sure others have pointed this out already but what the Hell - is this presumption that the moral standards that I might chose to hold myself to are ones that I would seek to impose on wider society. There are things on this list that I would regard as personally immoral but which I would vehemently oppose any attempt to ban and for which - at least in certain circumstances - I would not judge others for practicing.

I’m purely giving my opinion on each of these, but honestly I could care less about most of them. For example: I don’t personally approve of adultery but someone’s relationship is not my business.

I think there is a important difference between saying that you don't want to ban behavior you regard as immoral and that you see the futility of trying to ban it, because society often just can't discover most instances of the banned behavior being performed by individuals, and without consistent enforcement of a law, the law won't be respected. Closely related to this concept is the saying by Ben Franklin: laws which are too strict are seldom enforced and laws which are too lenient are seldom obeyed.

This issue is being discussed on a political website, so why not assume that the original post is asking us what conduct would we want to ban?
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